U;tra- Rich are screwing the middle class and the poor

Professionals often are required to obtain continuing education credits every year to stay up to date on the latest and greatest. There is no economic difference between me buying a share of google and Warren Buffet doing it. There is no difference between a professional using the law to their advantage as opposed to a poor person. The National Fair Labor Standard Act, Obamacare, Welfare, Social Security are no less "rent seeking" than a rich person doing it.

 

Some do, but not most. Still, I get your point.

And of course, the degree to which that is allowed WILL be determined by the political and economic factors being wielded. Certainly the wealthy in America today, have far too much power; the oppressiveness is literally looking over us all. If you cannot detect it, I suggest you pay closer attention.

No, not always. To believe that, would be to take a shallow view of what actually is. Many things besides 'money' are powerful; some are more powerful than money. But I'm concerned primarily with what is done with that "power". In my job, I work with enough powerful devices to do great good or harm; it is very powerful stuff. I've been on the proper side of those distinctions because of my overall vision and purpose; I do what's beneficial to/for all Americans. Yes, money is power, but certainly not the most powerful thing there is.

In fact, I'm certain that love, compassion, mercy, grace and compassion are FAR MORE powerful than money could ever be. Those things are of a long-lasting, durable eternal quality... while money's value is almost as fleeting as the wind.

Or, it depends upon how the rich are ALLOWED to use that money. Money's power (as I alluded above) is contingent upon many factors; real power is more than money. That should be obvious.

Yes. But at what point will money not be as 'desirable' as you imagine? I don't know about you, but I weigh money against doing what is right/better almost all the time. There are many human beings who do that same; what of them?

That will not always be the case. And it is one solid reason why the system should be reformed... before it is rejected. Communism (as you know it) is certainly not the only system which can threaten the freedoms and liberties we enjoy. I see people practically worshiping corporations, as if they CARE about people. LOL!! If they can't make a profit off of you, they don't give a f___ about you. If you believe otherwise, I can only say... WTFU!! I hope that you have learned this; it helps you to understand a lot.

There is indeed a balance. And money should influence, not 'control' a nation.

 

Right! What about people having a 'life' to live? Sure, work is important... but living is about more than that.

 

And that movie "Trading Places" wasn't as far-off as some would imagine.

 

You are spot-on. I suspect that some prefer to learn history, but not the lessons of it.

Today, we have literal idiots thinking that money is everything, that it is to be 'revered'.

They are so lost.

 

Thanks for that. That's a real eye-opener. I watched it on YouTube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6niWzomA_So

 

Please explain the problem that you claim needs a solution and what that solution is and how it would change things and what it would change it into that is better.

 

Conservatives have never had a problem with changing that need to be made. We would like to change Social Security and the tax system for instance. Liberals don't want to change those things that need changing.

 

I'm asking you specifically, try an answer this time.

Can you give me some specific examples of how an ultra-rich person screwed you and why did you let them do so?

 

How about I just tell you there's no such thing as a "free" market in the first place? You invent a new burger tomorrow. You're going to compete with McDonalds? Even if your product is twice as good, you'll never compete with McDonalds.

The problem here is that your most fundamental premises are myths. It makes subsequent conversation very difficult.

 

I love your sig. I forgot about that line. Still prefer this one though, if only just.

 

I disagree with what you're saying.

And we will support different agendas, for good reason.

 

So is that how you get your money?

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Quote Originally Posted by Bluesguy View Post
Conservatives have never had a problem with changing that need to be made. We would like to change Social Security and the tax system for instance. Liberals don't want to change those things that need changing.

You disagree that conservatives want to change the Social Security system and the tax system? Are you serious of just being obtuse?

 

What I'm saying and will likely continue to express, is that "Conservatives" (in their more current iteration) are not the people who necessarily have the most correct vision or answers for America.

So, when you say that this/that idea that is exclusively Conservative is what should be regarded, I'm presently doubtful of the same, in light of the policies and politics associated with "Conservatives" as they are today.

I used to be far more politically conservative, but embracing enough of that showed me where there are greater flaws in THAT, than in Liberalism (in it's current iteration).

Even so, we will continue to disagree on many things, but not likely all.

 

What you said is

And I refuted that by giving you two examples of the many changes that need to be made conservatives want to be made.

The disagreement is not whether we should keep the status quo, far from it, the disagreement is what changes need to be made.

Try arguing that point.

 

What did I mean?

I think I restated my thoughts.

Please, try to keep up.

 

I want to make a suggestion about your signature. You prolly want research why he said this and to whom because I am certain that Ben Franklin would be horrified in the context that this quote suggesting.

 

The Rich aren't screwing anyone. The only thing most of them are is facilites for government policy and not by choice. It is not your boss's fault that of the 50k a year it costs him to have you on the payrole only 25k ever shows up on your pay check.

 

please indicate how your example confirmed or discredited the idea of the existence of a free market.

myth that there is no free market ? Which premises exactly ? I said there was no free market. You said there was no free market. What point are you trying to make ?

 

You have got to be kidding. Fast food is one of the most competitive markets there is. There must be a hundred different burger joints in this town alone and the vast majority aren't McDonald's. Most of them are places you probably never heard of.

 

I am just baffled here. How are you going to compete with the Macdonalds advertising budget? How is anyone going to know that your product even exists? If the fast food market "is one of the most competitive markets there is" then why has it been solely dominated for 30 years by MacDonalds and Burger King?

This is me being baffled.

 

Well above? Give me an example. Two STRAIGHT time jobs and their pay. The rich blow, because they stole somebody else's wealth to get theirs.

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Nah, you're supposed to surrender all waking moments to your dictator, and not have any life, AND, get sheet pay to do it. That's the Republican wish for the unwealthy.

 

I can see that's what they're after. And one way or the other, they will pay a hefty price for trying to make things that way. (It's coming.)

 

WOW i think some people are starting to wake up . The best we can do is wait for the rich to exploit all the rest hard until the second shape a class consciousnesses , which by the way is starting to get a shape.

Capitalism is a heinous system and they sooner the masses understand that the better .

 

So you are withdrawing your initial statement and you agree that in fact conservatives DO want to change the status quo. The issue is your change versus ours.

Yes that canard about conservatives are the party that wants to keep things the way they are and liberals want change is routinely debunked.