Ukraine Bombs Waste Storage Site Inside Zaporozhye Nuclear Plant

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  1. 19Crib

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    Unhappy Ukrainians could surely have emigrated to Russia instead of Russia coming to them. I don’t hear Russians complaining about “border hoppers”.

    If Russia has the right to invade Ukraine, then everyone has the right to invade Russia.

    It’s rich that Russia ignored the fact the NATO was designed as protection from Russian attacking for some half baked reason after one vodka too many.
     
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    "Blame" is always a hotly-contested argument. Nevertheless, it is a FACT that a number of prominent nations agreed to, and signed, the "Minsk Agreements" of 2014, and later, in 2015. And after that, everything agreed to by everybody was evidently ignored or just left to "flap in the breeze".

    Then, after the last American presidential election, both Putin and China's Xi Jinping realized that with Trump finally gone, and with a decaying, corrupt party-hack like Biden in the White House, the time was perfect for them to achieve their foremost foreign policy goals -- and for Putin, that was neutralizing the influence of the IMF, the European Central Bank, and NATO in Ukraine, while seizing the eastern half of the country to provide a 'land bridge' to Crimea and it's Black Sea Navy Fleet.

    At the rate we're going now, if we keep on electing presidents like Joe Biden, backed by a Democrat-controlled Congress, the U. S. will be removed from any real position of power in meaningful issues throughout the entire Eastern Hemisphere in about another ten years.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    I like your perspective, but Biden was not elected. He was installed by the Deep State.

    If Trump was unable to get the US out of Syria as he claimed he wanted, speculation about what he might have done in Ukraine is endless. Trump did what Bibi told him to do.
     
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    There was over 2 million 'ukrainians' in Russia before Russia moved in to protect the victims of "the ukraine's" atrocities in the Donbass.

    What is ****ing rich is the fact that NATO was founded as a counter to the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union broke apart yet we still have NATO. And what's really ****ing rich is the fact that former Soviet Socialist States are NOW NATO members, yet the sheep can't see NATO for what it really is....a MIC honey hole/political money laundering kickback machine. The biggest threat to world peace is NATO. Defensive my ass.
     
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    Very good you mentioned Julian Assange, because many Russian trolls bring Julian Assange and the proof there is no freedom of speech in the US.
    Julian Assange is not accused for writing information our government don't like - he is accused for publishing STOLEN information.
    IMHO Julian Assange is a journalist and had a right to publish information, even if it was stolen.

    And what about Dorothy Kilgallon?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy_Kilgallen

    She also somehow proves that in Russia there is democracy and freedom of speech?
     
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    Well said, Eleuthera. :above:
     
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    submarinepainter Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Russia has no right to tell Ukraine anything
     
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    Why does Russia need “buffer states”, and what entitles them to have them. Do Russian neighbors get to vote on if they want to be buffer states or not? Is barbed wire an “architectural feature”?
     
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    Your logic is that of a 12-year-old.
     
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    Russia doesn't have the right to tell Ukraine to allow its ethnically Russian population equal right?
    Does that seem odd to you? Whatever is making the example is what one might follow. You ask about the right to expect “buffer states”. Does your dissatisfaction apply to all nations or only to Russia? Cuba, Grenada, Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, Costa Rica, Panama, Nicaragua, Haiti, Philippines, Venezuela, Columbia, Puerto Rico ...... are you critical of America's "entitlement" to have them (and to create them by force) as "buffer states"? And any thoughts about the Golan Heights?

    Let's put it to the test and ask you. Do the ethnic Russians in the Donetsk People's Republic and the Luhansk People's Republic get to vote on if they want to be buffer states or not?
    Being childish does not improve your credibility.
     
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    Thank you!!! To hear it from someone who is using logic of 5-years old it is a complement!!!
     
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    You argument is not logical and is all over the place.
    Are Russians in Ukraine fighting for Russia?
    And are you saying every countries neighbor is a buffer state? I consider a buffer state to be a state pretty much under the thumb of the Russians.
     
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    Huh lol. Russia is a super power, it can tell anybody in the region to do whatever it likes. Imean really, what planet did your comment come from
     
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    Buffer states are a natural evolution of nation states. Maybe you're too hung up on euro colonialism and its total illegitimacy to understand how geo politics works.
     
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    The arguments some of these ppl put forth is just bizarre
     
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    If you don't understand why Russia is in Ukraine today and you seem to have no idea why a "buffer zone" might be a prudent thing to have then why are you trying to engage me in a debate over it?
     
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    Ukraine are neo nazis
     
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    Why does the US need the entire Western Hemisphere as a buffer?
     
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    I am thinking they must be children or geographically/culturally isolated.

    I've been to Botswana, btw, and although the towns are rather boring (well, they were in the 1970s) the Tswanas are some of my most-loved people of the world.
     
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    Sorry, but I’m not buying it. “Label wars” never impressed me much. Accuse, label, rinse, repeat. Meanwhile you ignore they physical Ukraine that the people live in is being destroyed because “They are ….insert label here”
     
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    Lmao frfr. It's just amazing isn't it.
     
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    southern Africa is a very accomodating place apparently in terms of climate, for Europeans. I'd be happy to hear all you have to type about your visit to Botswana, sincerely.

    It's prolly a case of geographic ignorance and perhaps disdain for worldly affairs in all honesty that Americans have a particular view of the world.
     
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  23. Thingamabob

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    Hmmm ...
    You see how simple and logical it is. :above: There's no such thing as a neo nazi. It's only a "label". :laughing:
     
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    I'm only relaying the manifesto of zelenskys private militia. Is that not a fair assessment of Ukraine ideology given that they profress "white supremacy" (their words not mine)
     
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    Silly me, these cute little neo Nazis just deserve a big hug and kiss. Maybe we should wrap them up, package it in a pink fluffy box and sell them for $1.99. Maybe then the insatiable consumers of America would buy it.
     
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