ukraine's Azov 'brigade' returns to front

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    Another wing nut source with almost Zero following....great work!:).
     
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    Why do you complain about the sources that other use and yet yourself post information from some telegramm channels that can not be veryfied?
     
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    Most of mine can be accurately verified viskocheh....

    Those Twitter links I post also are verified....
     
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    You emote like a wing nut who's ignorant enough to believe the US is a "good guy" in its dealings with Ukraine, Syria, Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan:democrat:

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/266855828_The_Snipers'_Massacre_on_the_Maidan_in_Ukraine

    "This academic investigation concludes that the massacre was a false flag operation, which was rationally planned and carried out with a goal of the overthrow of the government and seizure of power.

    "It found various evidence of the involvement of an alliance of the far right organizations, specifically the Right Sector and Svoboda, and oligarchic parties, such as Fatherland. Concealed shooters and spotters were located in at least 20 Maidan-controlled buildings or areas.

    "The various evidence that the protesters were killed from these locations include some 70 testimonies, primarily by Maidan protesters, several videos of 'snipers' targeting protesters from these buildings, comparisons of positions of the specific protesters at the time of their killing and their entry wounds, and bullet impact signs.

    "The study uncovered various videos and photos of armed Maidan 'snipers' and spotters in many of these buildings.

    "The paper presents implications of these findings for understanding the nature of the change of the government in Ukraine, the civil war in Donbas, Russian military intervention in Crimea and Donbas, and an international conflict between the West and Russia over Ukraine."
     
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    Wow....an article from 2015.....geez, did 2015 put you on hold?
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Katchanovski

    False flag theory of Euromaidan
    Main article: Maidan casualties
    In public lectures in 2014[8][9] and 2015,[10] and subsequent academic works,[11][12][13] Katchanovski presented research arguing that the Revolution of Dignity resulted from a massacre organised by the Euromaidan protestors' own leadership. He based this claim on information from video footage, TV and Internet broadcasting, radio intercepts, witness testimonies, and bullet hole locations.[10][14] In particular, he suggested that "Maidan protesters may have shot police officers first, provoking a response that led to 100 deaths",[15] a contention for which first-hand evidence subsequently came to light.[16] More controversially, Katchanovski claimed that far-right nationalists murdered Maidan protesters themselves in a false flag operation.[14]

    In October 2014, Katchanovski presented a paper titled "The ‘Snipers’ Massacre’ on the Maidan in Ukraine" at the University of Alberta. A week later David R. Marples blogged that Katchanovski's paper was "received rather coldly", and criticized the content as "politically driven" and "a veritable jumble of illogical reasoning and statements that do not seem warranted by the findings". Marples commented that although Katchanovski's paper "does provide evidence that there were several separate groups of snipers, including anti-government ones", and that "the official version of events is indeed deeply troublesome and his gathering of new material is commendable", the paper "appears to be based on preconceived conclusions, all heavily weighted against the supporters of Maidan and the current government of Ukraine".[8]

    Although cited with approval by scholars including Richard Sakwa[17] and Stephen F. Cohen,[18] according to Emily S. Channell-Justice, writing in 2016, Katchnovski's conclusions were not widely accepted in the academic community.[15]

    Taras Kuzio wrote in 2014 that Katchanovski's writings are "polemical" with "a pro-Russian political agenda" and that his scholarship "exhibits an acute hostility to any and all forms of Ukrainian nationalism".[9] In 2020, Kuzio described the alleged false flag operation as a "conspiracy theory" derived from "highly selective compilation of sources gleaned from conspiratorial corners of the internet", and claimed that "there is little dispute among the broad mainstream of scholars, experts, and policymakers that Yanukovych’s vigilantes and Berkut riot police killed and wounded Euromaidan protestors".[19] According to Kuzio, Russian sources "later re-modelled this conspiracy theory by claiming that Georgian snipers, organised by former Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili, killed the protestors".[19]

    In 2023, Cathy Young questioned the accuracy and credibility of some of Katchanovski's sources.[20]

    The claim that the "Heavenly Hundred" (Maidan victims) were shot by Maidan activists features prominently in Russian disinformation, in the judgment of the EU.[21][22] The website EUvsDisinfo links to examples of Russian-language media that make this claim, all of which refer directly to Katchanovski.[21][22][23][24][25][26]

    The "false flag" theory of the Maidan massacre has also been repeated on Russian state-affiliated media such as RT and Sputnik.[20][27]
     
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    I've read that article by Katchanovski.....numerous inconsistencies and speculation ....Afaic.

    That Taras Kuzio seems to be rather accurate in his assessments.
     
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    The Kremlin claque want to talk about the past because the present is too painful for them.
     
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    As it has done many times before the US instigated a violent coup in Ukraine in 2014 in order to advance regime change in Moscow; it's not working, and it probably never will without a global nuclear war.

    https://www.conservapedia.com/Maidan_coup#UNGA_Res._2625

    "On November 20, 2013, Ukraine member of parliament Oleg Tsarev accused the US Embassy in Kyiv of preparing a coup in Ukraine on the floor of the Ukrainian parliament.

    "The nationalist faction in the Verkhovna Rada, the Ukrainian parliament, attempted to shout Tsarov down.[27] Tsarov said:

    "'In my role as a representative of the Ukrainian people, activists from the Volya Public Organization turned to me, providing clear evidence that within our country, with support and direct participation of the US Embassy in Kiev, a “TechCamp” project is under way in which preparations are being made for a civil war in Ukraine.'

    "'The “TechCamp” project prepares specialists for information warfare and for the discrediting of state institutions [the Government] using modern media — potential revolutionaries for organizing protests and the toppling of the Government."
     
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    Relaying those Kremlin lies won't save the Russian army.
     
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    If we wanted a regime change in Moscow, why wouldn't we, you know, instigate a coup in Russia rather than Ukraine?
     
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    Jack, that is not a lie. There is video of Tsarev giving that speech before the Rada. Last time I checked (a couple months ago), it was still up.
     
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    Tsarev is among the liars.
     
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    In Russia it was not easy to do that. People were less motivated to participate in any revolutions. There should be a critical mass of people in order that an explosion happened. There should be an opposion to a government. There was not and is not in Russia.
     
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    Tga
    Labeling is an easy thing to do.
     
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    RuZZkis are zombies viska....that's why. Even if there was protests they may even enjoy getting cracked in the head by OMOH head bangers.

    I think most RuZZkis demand it.:D
     
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    Is that why you label ?
     
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    "Last time I checked"?

    So you're not even sure it's legit?.....LOL.
     
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    I do not. Tsarev was labled as a lier.
     
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    Russians are no more zombies than Ukranians or you.
     
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