UN chief says world is on ‘highway to climate hell’ as planet endures 12 straight months of unpreced

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  1. Jack Hays

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    Then I take it you don't think #217 is on the right track.
     
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    The pertinent background papers (Koutsoyiannis et al., 2022 (1) and Koutsoyiannis et al., 2022 (2)) were published in The Royal Society journal. I doubt you'll claim the Royal Society is a denier hotbed.
     
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    The pertinent background papers (Koutsoyiannis et al., 2022 (1) and Koutsoyiannis et al., 2022 (2)) were published in The Royal Society journal. I doubt you'll try to denigrate that publication.
     
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    Nay even a whiffle of climate science.

    Interesting you admit the other is not pertinent and that you can't refute my post. Lol.
     
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    They form the foundation for the 2024 papers.
    There's nothing in your post to refute; it is devoted to irrelevancies.
    "The dogs may bark, but the caravan moves on."
     
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    These papers are nothing-burgers in the world of climate change.

    "The dogs may bark, but the caravan moves on."
     
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    Glad you found another savior though. The cosmic ray/sun spot trope dude was getting wearysome...
     
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    Really?
    "The problem related to the causal relationship between atmospheric temperature (T) and concentration of carbon dioxide ([CO2]) is regarded by many as part of a ‘settled science’ yet it remains challenging and still debated. For example, the study by Koutsoyiannis & Kundzewicz [4] concluded, making use of the HOE causality concept and based on the analysis of modern measurements of T and CO2, that the principal causality direction is T→[CO⁢ 2], despite the common conviction that the opposite is true. In addition, using palaeoclimatic proxy data from Vostok ice cores, Koutsoyiannis [15] and Koutsoyiannis & Kundzewicz [4] found a time lag of CO2 from T of a thousand years. Here we re-examine both modern and paleo datasets with our proposed causality detection methodology."
     
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    Svensmark and Shaviv remain very much in the picture. As does Javier Vinos. Koutsoyiannis is the third leg of the skeptic triad.
     
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    Another false smear to dodge the issues.
     
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    Similar to doctors coming on TV smoking in the ‘70s, saying “Tobacco isn’t harmful”. Truth hurts, doesn’t it.
     
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    Your smear is without the slightest foundation. You should be ashamed.
     
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    Been down this path before. The only lack of foundation is your denial.

    https://www.desmog.com/nir-shaviv/

    Nir Shaviv is a regular speaker at the Heartland Institute‘s International Conference on Climate Chance (ICCC), and has been listed as an advisor to both the Committee for Constructive Tomorrow (CFACT), and the Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF), although he has denied his affiliation with the former.
     
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    All of which means exactly nothing. Free speech is a real thing, and the venues you named are perfectly fine.
    Shaviv has also spoken at Cambridge University and testified before the German Bundestag. Most impressive though may be that he spent a year at the Institute for Advanced Study (IAS) at Princeton as an IBM Einstein Fellow -- IAS having been where Einstein worked after emigrating to the US.
     
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    Oil industry payroll.
     
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    Nonsense. Your claim is baseless. Such a smear is the last refuge for those who fear free inquiry and debate.
     
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    I posted the link. Most are aware of the tactics of industries like Big Oil and Tobacco.
     
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    Your link presents no content to support your claim. Is Shaviv’s religion/ethnicity a problem for you?
     
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    Koch Brothers = Shaviv
     
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    A lie. Anti-semitic?
     
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    He’s one of the worst of the corrupt oil-financed scientists. He’s even featured on the Koch Brother financed Heattland Institute website- DENIAL SCIENCE FOR SALE…

    https://heartland.org/about-us/who-we-are/nir-shaviv/
     
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    Neither the Racah Center for Physics at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem nor the Institute for Advanced Study shares your view. Is your problem anti-Semitism or just intolerance of views different from your own?
    Shaviv's CV boasts somewhere between 70 and 80 peer-reviewed publications on climate topics.
     
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    It’s that other 20-30% that’s the problem
     

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