UN chief says world is on ‘highway to climate hell’ as planet endures 12 straight months of unpreced

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  1. Jack Hays

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    20-30% of what?
    The balance of Shaviv's work is mostly in physics and astrophysics.
     
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    He was a reputable scientist until he sold out.
     
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    You have zero evidence for your "sold out" claim. I must assume it derives from prejudice of one sort or another.
     
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    Who do you claim bought him? Or are you just lamenting that his research proved that global warming has nothing to do with human CO2 emissions.
     
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    Kamala Harris is featured on the Heartland Institute website.
     
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    Partisan baloney. Pickles anyone?
     
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    Look it up.
     
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    You made the BLURT
     
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    Quote from Naomi:


    There's real economic costs to climate change - So, Superstorm Sandy led to billions of dollars in damages. The fires out in the west, 70 million dollars a day are being spent in fighting fires that have clearly been exacerbated by drought and climate change. So, people have pointed out the true dollars and cents cost of inaction on climate change.

    Naomi Oreskes
     
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    More nonsense. Neither Sandy nor western wildfires have any climate change nexus.
     
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    :roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    Here you go, some expert testimony.
    Northwest wildfires are most frequently grass fires. Climate change is not an important contributor to grass fires.

    When many folks think about Northwest wildfires they visualize a burning forest.

    But in reality, most Northwest wildfires are grass or range fires, with trees playing a minor role.

    As we will see, grass fires have little to do with climate change, but a LOT to do with flammable, human-spread invasive grasses and human ignition. And such grass fires can subsequently contribute to wildfires in adjacent forests. . . .
     
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    Plus there has been no temperature increase in the northeast in the last few decades. Wild grass fires such as the Park Fire near Chico are predominantly caused by humans.
     
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    This all falls flat because there has been no warming in the western US. Most of these fires have been started by humans. The reort confuses weather (climate variability) with climate change. Anytime short selection time periods are used it’s a dead giveaway that statistics are being used to deceive.
     
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    AFM must be an acronym for ALL FACTS MISSED. On another post you BLURTED that the amount of High Level Radioactive Waste in the world was "miniscule". When there are actually 260,000 Tons in storage. Now you BLURT that "there has been no warming in the Western US". Absolutely FALSE.

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/24/climate/hot-drought-west-climate/index.html

    The West’s recent heat-driven megadroughts are unprecedented in at least 500 years, new research shows.

    “Hot drought” — when extreme drought and heat occur simultaneously — has increased in severity and frequency over the last century due to human-caused climate change, according to a study published Wednesday in the journal Science Advances.

    What we’re seeing is that megadrought conditions are being amplified by anthropogenically driven (human caused) temperature increases,” said Karen King, lead author of the study and assistant professor in physical geography at the University of Tennessee in Knoxville.

    ...
    Jonathan Overpeck, climate scientist and dean of the University of Michigan’s School for Environment and Sustainability, told CNN the implications are huge if the climate crisis accelerates.

    “Water security and wildfire will become bigger problems until climate change is stopped,” said Overpeck, who was not involved with the study but has done research on hot droughts. “These impacts were predicted long ago and are now becoming clear.”



     
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    Mr. Blurt is back. Unprecedented in 500 years??

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    This from the closest weather station to the Park Fire. Where is the warming??



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    Keep telling yourself that. I’ll take the NOAA over bloggers and your Low-Fact sites.

    https://www.noaa.gov/noaa-wildfire/wildfire-climate-connection

    Wildfire climate connection
     
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    I'll take the Royal Society's peer-reviewed research, thanks.
    Global trends in wildfire and its impacts: perceptions versus ...
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    Royal Society
    https://royalsocietypublishing.org › doi › rstb.2015.0345

    by SH Doerr · 2016 · Cited by 631 — While the trends in area burned explored above have implications for the effects of fire on global carbon emissions, ecosystems and society, the ...

    Abstract
    Wildfire has been an important process affecting the Earth's surface and atmosphere for over 350 million years and human societies have coexisted with fire since their emergence. Yet many consider wildfire as an accelerating problem, with widely held perceptions both in the media and scientific papers of increasing fire occurrence, severity and resulting losses. However, important exceptions aside, the quantitative evidence available does not support these perceived overall trends. Instead, global area burned appears to have overall declined over past decades, and there is increasing evidence that there is less fire in the global landscape today than centuries ago. Regarding fire severity, limited data are available. For the western USA, they indicate little change overall, and also that area burned at high severity has overall declined compared to pre-European settlement. Direct fatalities from fire and economic losses also show no clear trends over the past three decades. Trends in indirect impacts, such as health problems from smoke or disruption to social functioning, remain insufficiently quantified to be examined. Global predictions for increased fire under a warming climate highlight the already urgent need for a more sustainable coexistence with fire. The data evaluation presented here aims to contribute to this by reducing misconceptions and facilitating a more informed understanding of the realities of global fire.
     
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    NOAA engages in their own manipulation of their data presentations.
    “Missing Context”: How Climate Catastrophists at NOAA Mislead without Lying
    by E. Calvin Beisner
    A more appropriate, less misleading, way to graph the same temperature data is to use a vertical range that’s fairly typical of the weather people commonly experience. That’s a scale…
     
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    From your link:


    But the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change disagrees—firmly and adamantly. Its 2018 Special Report on Global Warming of 1.8°Cconcludes that if we do nothing to slow greenhouse gas-induced warming, the warming will make gross world product (GWP) in 2100 will be 2.6 percent lower it otherwise would be.

    What would it otherwise be? The Center for Global Development says economic growth through the remainder of this century is most likely to be about 3 percent per year. After factoring in change in population, the result would be GWP per capita 8.8 times what it was in 2018.

    When poverty is a far greater threat to human health and life than anything related to climate and weather, can anyone think that’s a catastrophic result?
     
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    Your denial is showing.
     

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