Unedited Gaddaffi capture ( Very Graphic)!!!!!!!!!!

Yet Hillary Clinton not so long ago went to Africa to implore them not to deal with China.

Interesting, right?

I mean, why would she do that?

Unless, of course, the West makes a great deal of money out of suppressing Africa, and keeping nations there in debt, keeping them reliant, and ensuring that they are not educated?

That would be called a 'vested interest'.

One that exploits millions of African, and stops any African leader from emerging who acts on behalf of his people, and makes them self sufficient.

What could the Chinese, a nation not predisposed to war, what could they possibly do to damage Africa more, than the West has done?

 

Ya...ok let's play...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_name_Palestine
Gee c.1150BCE. That's a LONG time ago. Hey think it'll take that long for you lie to take hold?
Just wondering...

We've already established that Palestine has a long history. It existed. Quit trying to wiggle your sorry ass out of the question.

LOL...typical...
You won't answer the question...because you can't. Instead you side-step it...as I'd expected...with garbage about British Crown land. Most Americans have houses built on ancient Indian land...is it the Indians' land?

Those people...the PALESTINIAN PEOPLE were in that region for hundreds of centuries. Their ancestral home was stolen from them.
You can deny this with your flimsy little documents declaring it British or Ottoman land all you like. It meant next to nothing then...and it means even less now.

The people are PALESTINIANS and the region is called PALESTINE!
And all the Zionists and mindless Jews who blindly follow them...will never change that...no matter how hard you try and deny.

and DEM...my misguided little boy...IS DE FACTS!!!

 

There is a big question of security with any country that doesnt share your own risk calculations in the world while still have the power to go ahead and make deals that might risk you and your friends, that can do you much damage.

I still think dealing with a rich country is much better than a poor one

 

Perhaps it's just me, but this vid showing his discovery, capture and execution within minutes, kind of undermines the credibility of the "sodomy" one. Can you sodomise a body? Does a dead tyrant care?

 

who were these then???????

Philistines in the Bible

The Hebrew text of Genesis 10:14, with regard to the descendants of Mizraim, reads "we'et Petrusim we'et Kesluhim 'esher yats'u misham Filistim we'et Keftorim." Literally, it says that those whom Mizraim begat included "the Pathrusim, Casluhim (out of whom came the Philistines), and the Caphtorim". There is some debate among interpreters as to whether this verse was originally intended to signify that the Philistines themselves were the offspring of the Casluhim or the Caphtorim.

The Torah does not record the Philistines as one of the nations to be displaced from Canaan.

In Genesis 15:18-21 the Philistines are absent from the ten nations Abraham's descendents will displace as well as being absent from the list of nations Moses tells the people they will conquer (Deut. 7:1, 20:17).

God also intentionally directed the Israelites away from the Philistines upon their exit from Egypt according to Exodus 13:17.


In Genesis 21 Abraham agreed a covenant of kindness with the Philistine king Avimelech and his descendants.

A few biblical texts, such as the Ark Narrative and stories reflecting the importance of Gath, seem to portray late Iron I and early Iron II memories. They are mentioned over 250 times, the majority in the Deuteronomistic history (the series of "history" books from Joshua to 2 Kings), and are depicted as the archenemies of the Israelites, a serious and recurring threat before being subdued by David.

The following is a list of battles recorded in the Bible between Israel and the Philistines

* The Battle of Shephelah
* Israel defeated at the Battle of Aphek, Philistines capture the Ark of the Covenant (1 Samuel 4:1–10)—see Eben-Ezer; Aphek
* Philistines defeated at the Battle of Eben-Ezer (1 Samuel 7:3–14)
* Skirmish at Michmash, Philistines routed by Jonathan and his men (1 Samuel 14)
* Near the Valley of Elah, David defeats Goliath in single combat (1 Samuel 17)

Palestine (English)
Filistin (Arabic)
فلسطين written in Arabic

 

he was sodomised as he was being walked from the pipe to the truck

before he was shot in the head

watch the video

 

And why has China been treated in this way?

Once again, take a bow the mass media, and how it creates this almost Holywood B Movie image of the Chinese being something sinister, just like it does with (whatever happens to be vogue at the time, for the US).

How paradoxically arrogant for Americans, and Europeans for that matter, to criticise China's record on 'human rights', when in fact their own doesn't make such pleasant reading. After all, it is not China who are going around the Middle East and Africa, systematically starting conflict, it is the Americans, in alliance with some Euro nations.

Make no mistake, China have considerable military might, a large population that could swell their ranks, and a huge cache on weapons, yet, for all of that, they are not perpetually invading and occupying countries, decade after decade.

I am not sure how many Chinese people you have met in person, but I have met enough to come to the conclusion that they are a good and humble people, a people not afflicted by the many ills of Western decadence.

 

I don't think I am being clear.

What you or I think is 'better' is not important to these people.

These people being the very elites and politicians who benefit from Africa's poverty, and misery. They make money from keeping Africa down. Here is one example. Col Gadaffi, he wanted to build Africa's own satellites, for communcation, at an estimated cost of $500million. This would have been a one off cost, and was to be funded by Gaddafi, this year, in fact. It would have been great, for the nations in the continent of Africa. Right now, to make it simple, they have to pay Western corporations to almost 'lease' their systems, at a cost of £500million PER YEAR.

It was his desire to do this,and produce Africa's own currency, which eventually led to these elites arming thugs, and calling them 'rebels'. Then they represented these 'rebels' as a 'majority', when they were no such thing. The TRUTH is that the majority of Libyans were loyal to him for a reason - he had been good for them, and they were the ONE nation in Africa that was debt free,and whose banks were not owned and run by the very 'investment' banks, and speculators who have brought the Western economy to what it is right now - TERRIBLE.

It is rather amazing that this rag tag of rebels, as well as fighting the 'evil dictator', managed to find the time to set up a New Central Bank Of Libya.

Can you imagine? Here was me thinking they looked like thugs with guns, and they were a posse of management consultants, all along..

I wonder who will and does own this bank?

Previously, Libya owned it's own bank - 100%.

Call me an old cynic, but I have a feeling that the aforementioned rebels are not really a team of management consultants at all, and that this was something that was all clearly put in place by the very elites that I speak of, over and over.

 

Twentieth Century: Tibet, Xinjiang (East Turkestan), Korea, Vietnam, the Paracel Islands, the Spratly Islands, Shenkaku Islands, parts of Arunachal Pradesh and the Aksai Chin in India...

Previously: The Han originated in the Yellow River Valley at least three thousand years ago. They spread their culture and political control through conquest, settlement, and inter-marriage. My wife's people were conquered by the Tang Dynasty between 600-800 CE. They were totally assimilated. Now they think of themselves as Han. But that doesn't change the fact that they were conquered.

 

It looks as if he was probably going to die either way. The blood he was loosing would have been enough to kill him in a short period of time. Unless they were able to get him immediatly to a hospital, he was dead already. I doubt they felt the need to go thru the trouble of getting him medical attention after fighting for months to find him. This is how an army opperates that is not constantly having to answer for their actions like most modern world armies.

 

I dont think you understood what i was trying to say, according to your answer it sounds as if i have something against China or criticized it,

I didn't...all i've said is that China is a major power now in many ways and the world has much to gain from it now - than i did when it was a backward country

 

Yea, i told you i saw the film,

My point is rational, "these ppl" you speak of that have much to gain from Africa poverty exist ofc BUT in the BIG picture the western world - not just a few countries - has much to gain from a powerful Africa,

Im speaking about the logic of the way buissness is done in the west, the more money each house in Africa is making the more they buy, create, export, import etc' etc', that's billions of $ that will added to the world's commerce traffic.

No, i dont think that 500 m $ a year from communication services are a better deal to the west,

In the big picture, sure there are those that benefit from poverty but the bigger forces at hand, the forces that actually make diplomacy and control armies see that thier own countries (not just a few tycoons) will benefit from a succesful Africa.

 

unfortunately, i was right: - Gaddaffi was rapped ...
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No.

I know you don't, or didn't write anything to mean that.

I was just taking the subject of China on a little.

 

In theory that may appear logical to you or I.

In practice, that is not what happens.

The West ensure that Africa is not self sufficient, it really does pay them more to keep them in debt, then charge them great sums of interest on that debt.

Gadaffi did want a more united Africa, that is what he told African nations, to unite, not in some military sense, but in precisely the sense you speak of.

He wanted to create it's own currency, the gold diner, this would have been fantastic for Africa.

He wanted to created a African Monetray Fund, indeed, the West wanted to be part of it, but no, it was meant to improve the lot of Africans, to they were refused.

Moreover, Libya was the most liberal of all predominantly Muslim nations, Gadaffi was firmly against Al Queda philosophy, if there is such a thing, and he was more certainly against a radicalised form of political Islam.

Now, rather than that, we have a future uncertain for Libya, and it's people.

The majority there favoured Gadaffi. So I would imagine that they are not going to just dissapear, in the weeks, months, and years ahead, there could be instability there, where before there was relative harmony.

 

So these rebels ass-raped Gaddafi with a stick? Sounds like a bunch of stand up fellows that the western bombs has brought into power.

 

I do not see why you think you know what I have looked into or not.

I have read extensively, both mainstream and non-mainstream material and have made my determination.

I do not accept a leader who insists on retaining an unchallenged role for 42 years. Any logic tells you that he repressed his people in order to retain control. That is the nature of a dictatorship.

 

I asked you questions to ponder, didn't make absolute claims on what you may or may not have read.

You have not answered those questions.

To what degree do you think you are lied to, by politicians in the West, and the media?

And if your answer is 'a great deal', then how can you believe anything that the tell you, about anything at all?

That is something any intelligent person should be asking themselves.

Gadaffi was not your leader to accept or otherwise.

He was supported by the overwhelming majortiy of Libyans.

You do not understand what a 'dictator' is, if you believe he was one.

Nor do you understand what the political system of Libya was.

If you did, you would also understand that the people there had more say in their affairs, than those in Western democracies.

This is fact, it is written, you can go read that for yourself.

The Libyan people would meet, often, and they would determine policy issues, or make their own decisions.

That is why they had no need for the circus that we have - with a bad choice of well paid professional politicians to act on our behalf.

Supposedly - but they don't.

 

Our leader - our Monarch has retained an unchallenged role for 58 years -( and long may she reign ) . how does she fit in with your "logic " ?


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Jack.. Where did you get the idea that the Libyan people had any say in the affairs of Libya?

 

Spot on Jack , but methinks you're flogging a dead Mule.

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The only reigning (in) she does these days is her corgies.

If you think she is akin to a Ghadaffi, you need to look into how laws are passed in your country.
For the record we abolished the monarchy, although I understand that your queen rakes in the cash from tourists. She is a figurehead and not more.

 

I am not one for conspiracy thinking.

So I beleive in the moon landing, 9/11 and the holocaust. If you have another version, I'll be looking for facts that back it up and if I can't find them, I'll reject your theory. I hate alternative theories that are based on general suspicion such as the press is lying to you. Well then prove it!

I think that the press doesn't care what story they print as long as it sells. So if Ghadaffi was gifting his people gold coins, they would print it (typically with someone swimming in gold) and if he was killing his opponents, they would print that (with a bloody photo).

The "media" and the "politicians in the west" are not one cohesive entity as you try to portrait. Anyone who has worked a day in the corporate world knows how chaotcally things work with competing interests trying to vie for power. The logic mind again tells me that conspiracies are not worth it - they are like mental masturbation without reaching climax.

I have fully read up on the green committees and Ghadaffi's brilliant analysis of the different between men and women It was a pretense at democracy - no power was devolved. The Libyian people would meet and decide issues - how silly and naive. The whole population I suppose all decided and hence did not need politicians - but they did need a great brother leader I suppose.
How insulting to my intelligence. If you find it logical, you are the uninformed one blinded by a bias against the "media" and the west.

 

Liebe . pls for feks sake do not twist my words or tell me what I think. Nor try teaching me how laws are passed in my country.


Who are the "WE" you're refering to ? in yr own words - you're a south African who emigrated to Germany.


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Well you raised the Queen on a thread about Ghadaffi being a dictator, so I assume you mean to make a point by doing so. My mistake.

So why did you raise the queen if you know how irrelevant she is?

I never said I emigrated to Germany. The baked beans must be getting to you.