Universal Basic Income Hits the Bay Area—If You’re Black

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  1. FatBack

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    I'm still waiting on you to show me where I supposedly said that racism doesn't exist and you quoted my post where I supposedly said it and I asked you to point it out and be specific and I even use the mention function and asked you twice and you totally failed to answer and ran away from it
     
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    Pay people to not work and guess what they will do?
     
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    That link does not say that at all. It says A Christian opposed using it for schools that teach radical Islamic law. The Louisiana voucher law also allows for use in secular private schools.
     
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    Start threads complaining about others not working?
     
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    Not work...............I'm not paid to not work I was paid for my work all my life. Commissions, if I didn't work..............
     
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    republicans in government did not want it to cover non-Christians....
     
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    Pfff... this is just one more right wing fake news idea that goes unproven, like the Trump losing the elections.
    You're just blaming black people when they are being discriminated by white people, like a blaming a woman for being raped.
    You're not even responding to my comment that nobody is making people go kumbaya around the statue of that traitor general Lee.
    You're just avoiding it. And let me go double down on it:


    Those white folks were just raised that way by their parents who were raised themselves in the Jim Crow era.
    It really is not that long ago. A culture simply doesn't just vanish within 1 generation.

    Let me go one step further:
    Are you right wing enough to also pin anti-Semitism on the Jew?
    Because let's be honest. Your idea comes from pinning the holocaust on the Jews.
     
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    I don't see why the % of black people in CA matters.
     
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    People like Trump and Biden were going through their college years when the Jim Crow laws ended.
    That means those white people enjoyed a world where the government made sure that the black population would have zero chance to compete against them. You're not going to convince anybody that Hunter Biden got all them fancy jobs because he is THAT good. It's of course because of the social economical position of he inherited from his lovely father. His father who picked the fruits of apartheid law. The same can be said about Jared Kushner.

    You can add that there are reports out that when sending similar resume's to a company that an ethnic sounding black name got significant lesser chance of being invited for an internview than an ethnic white sounding name.

    So where you think Black people are self imposing this... I dunno.
    You're just victim blaming.
     
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    No reports ever demonstrated sending in similar resumes resulting in disproportionate answers based on “race” or names frequently used by black peoples. That was debunked long ago.

    White privilege as a concept has also been thoroughly debunked. You literally get bonus points being anything but a straight white male due to AA.

    And yes black people are overwhelmingly the victims of their own decision making.
     
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    I seriously doubt Hispanics are much better off. I also can't say Hispanics got that cultural theme of slavery and Jim Crow laws around them. Even less so with Asians. While not exactly the poorest Asians migrate to the US, and with the family wealth backing them up, they buy themselves into high prestige universities, pay for extra tutors for some extra help, and with that get those well paying jobs. It's an unfair uphill battle when you're poor. And it's weird I need to explain this to be honest. You should have known this.

    Can you prove otherwise?

    Poverty goes hand in hand with, poor housing, poor nutrition, and so poor health, besides more frequent alcohol and drug abuse, splitting up of families due to those troubles/stress. And the white community made sure that generation of Biden and Trump were poor as hell through oppression by the government. The same government that has never paid any kind of reparations to speak off to even the playing field.

    And when born in poor neighborhood, getting crap food, living in a far more drafty / moldy house,... is flat out not giving a person the same chances compared to others living in the suburbs.
    That's how life works in America. And the white population made sure that the black population started from the ghetto. And you wonder how this all can change in 57 years. lol

    As if Hunter Biden could get the jobs he got when born black and in the ghetto, by just "doing well in school".
    He would have gotten a chance in hell. While it's obvious he got where he got thanks to his dad.

    bla bla

    The % of white people doing and dealing drugs is actually the same with black people.
    And here you are claiming it's just a black Chicago/urban thing.

    So you know. You're a rather typical American who got it's bias ready against black people without knowing it.
    You strike me as a person who would agree that white people made sure than black people started at the utter bottom of the social economic ladder 57.
    You strike me as a person who would agree that starting at the bottom, gives you a far less of a chance in the US compared to the nice suburbs.
    You also strike me as a person who -with dragging in stupid excuses- doesnt' want any program around that undoes this wrong and like to keep it that way.
     
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    Black people aren’t being discriminated against by white people anymore than in the reverse, Infact violent crime stats overwhelmingly show the reverse.

    And yes it’s been a significant amount of time since Jim crow…3x groups of people growing into their nearly their 20s in a post Jim crow era. Despite AA actively benefitting them and simultaneously discriminating against straight white males.

    Black peoples find themselves in a real bind, but it’s their decision making, not society, that is the issue. It’s their choice to divorce, to teach kids to disrespect authority, to rob and kill each other at suck vastly higher rates.

    It’s not victim blaming, it’s pointing out the objective reasons, based on all available data, as to why they suffer.
     
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    oh noes.
    Among things: the reports are out that when sending fictional similar resume's to an employer, that people with ethnic black sounding names get a far lesser chance than ethnic white sounding names. And now it seems you think a resume is just a name? Seriously? lol
     
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    Those reports have been thoroughly debunked. They did not send in similar resumes.
     
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    I'm in favor of busting the people who do not give black people a fair chance when their resume is just as good as a white person, by flat out not inviting them for an interview. They should be named, shamed and fined for breaching the constitutional rights of others.

    And it seems like you think this kind of discrimination is something you support, since you're so busy gaslighting racism by totally vomiting out endless questions.
     
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    Last time I checked, the Italians, Irish and all other whites, including the Jews were all in on it to legally discriminate the black population and not their own white population. They banned even the idea that their white population may marry the black population, for instance.


    It's not as if you don't know this. But you like to pretend in your alternative right wing world that it happened differently.
     
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    Go answer your own questions.
     
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    Dems don’t realize how racist many (although not all) come off. They make all the excuses in the world for black misbehavior or short coming, excuses they wouldn’t give to a straight white male, while simultaneously claiming they simply can’t be better than that..it’s genuinely racist.
     
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    Can you source this. On a per capita basis?

    I made no such claim

    I'm not sure how it can be bias if those facts are back by statistics.

    I believe that the victim mentality is hurting far more blacks than its helping. When the agenda largely removes personal responsibilty from the discussion, because of things that happened to ancestors, how can we ever expect blacks to take ownership?

    When people jump in and say " it isn't THEIR fault they are impoverished, it's because they are a vicitim" they will forever be victims. It's no different than enabling a drug addiction, and expecting they will get clean. So long as they can fall back on the victimization and programs to support them, they will be disadvantaged and in my opinion that's the true racism.
     
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    Not my idea, it's what the "state of California and you say federal government" are telling you point blank by trying to pass this. Don't put your racist words in my mouth, I think any racist is sick. I also am not dumb enough to think this is a racist program.
     
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    Not based on race, duh.
     
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    can't you just not do a quick google?
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2377408/

    According to the 2003 NSDUH, 38.2% of White young adults 18 to 25 years of age in the U.S. reported any illicit drug use in the past year, followed by African-American (30.6%)

    Have you used drugs other than those required for medical reasons? black people: 13.8, white: 30.3
    Have family members ever complained about your involvement with drugs? black people:0.7, white: 3.0

    The content of table 1 shows what kind of drugs black and white people do.
    It aint pretty.

    This is you
    What we see in Chicago, which is near where we live, is generational cultural degradation in the black community. Babies having babies, dropping out of school, thinking drugs

    I just call it what it is. It's a negative black racist stereotype which is typical American.
    That's why cops predominantly hunt black people for doing drugs. The stats show that they do this.

    And you're asking me for the stats, because you do not know them while you do lean on your stereotypes.



    Their ancestors???? You hint as if this all happened centuries ago and they all should get over it.
    Fact is Biden and Trump are alive. That generation personally benefitted from Jim Crow era.
    Are you going to claim next that Hunter Biden got it's fancy jobs because he's THAT good, or is it because of his social economic position his dad gained during the Jim Crow era?

    But I'm guessing you're not going to answer that simple question of mine.
    It hurts your agenda, no?
     
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    The discrimination is not based on race?
    Aha.... lol
     
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    I have worked with 100s of embedded software engineers in my life. Out of all those engineers, none were black. In your world, my work experience is evidence of a government conspiracy to keep blacks out of embedded software engineering. In my reality, most blacks are unable or uninterested in doing embedded software engineering.

    I still have to compete against other engineers for my position. The fact that they are white does not make it any better. When you are white and lose your job to a white person, the thought that will never cross your mind is that you are glad that a white person got the job that you wanted. That is insane. You care about YOURSELF and your career, not the careers of other whites.

    It has never happened, but if a name on resume is something like Africanishaniqua I would laugh my ass off and throw it away. Not a chance in hell I would ever work with a person with that kind of name. Would do the same thing with any resume associated with the NAACP. We are looking for people interested in engineering, not activism.
     
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    You are not telling us anything new, since this is what scientists already are able to prove. People with ethnic black names like Barack Hussein Obama who you can obviously guess they are non white, probably black/brown and maybe Muslim, got a far lesser chance to land an interview compared to people with names like John Adams... even when their resumes are just similar.

    And here you are, laughing your ass off that you're one of those people who refuse to give black people a fair chance based on just their name.
    People like you justify that black people get financial aid though, and I don't think you realize that.

    Personally I would support a company run like yours, gets fined massively for breaching 1st amendment rights.
    And than checked for a couple of decades if those racist practices still go forth.
    Heck, I would not even see a problem to flag this as a felony so white nationalists owners lose the right to own weapons as a consequence.
    Better be safe than be sorry....
     
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