Universal Basic Income Hits the Bay Area—If You’re Black

Debunked by whom? The KKK?

 

I wonder how you define black? Is it that at least one of your parents is black? How about even if both your parents are white but one of your grandparents is black, or, isn't that even possible? Then we've got second cousins twice removed, etc. Who gets the dough and who doesn't? And, it's not only discriminatory against whites but it is discriminatory against other minorities as well.

 

Unsupported conjecture on your part.

 

You said the resume's were the same EXCEPT for name............seriously can you keep up with your own arguments?

So again

Wouldn't that work both ways then?

Let's see you note blacks are disproportionately poor. They are disproportionately poor because they lack education and training. A hiring manager only has time for so many interviews for a job opening so wouldn't they be justified to eliminate based on names that sound black? Just using your reasoning here.

 

Wow, that's a lot of fabrication there. Do you have any actual evidence of ANY of that??? Because it looks like you just made it all up. Why would you waste time doing that?

 

I support the idea by Milton Friedman, which was a negative income tax, to bring people who make or have less than the poverty level, bring them to 130% of poverty. But, I would support it being 130% of poverty in rural areas, and 150% -- 200% in urban areas, depending on the region. Race would be irrelevant.

 

I did google it, and I was hoping that wasn't going to be the study used as it is a very small subset of society.

This study on the other hand, not limited to just college students, shows consistent higher usage among minorities (except asian) across nearly all metrics with blacks showing higher usage rates of illicit drugs.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...cQFnoECBsQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1Ozm4h85vbQwq4yo1yQrdl

So, you agree that the statistics reinforce my statement?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.br...t-of-wedlock-births-in-the-united-states/?amp

64% of black babies born are to out of wedlock mothers, compared to 18% white.

Don't start making this about me because the facts don't align with your opinion.

This isn't an all or nothing discussion. I have stated that blacks have had to overcome challenges many minorities have. They just, statistically are doing it much slower. And, I've stated you can't simply ignore all the factors that don't align with your victimization.

Just did.

The fact is, the black community has a culture problem that by-and-large hampers their ability for obtaining generational wealth, getting out of poverty and into positions of control, and by and large changes the race based segregation.

One question. How does victimizing them help? We could victimize Japanese for internment camps, or Asians who built the railroads, bit none of those demographics needs the victimization to change their position, they did it on their own.

How does it help?

 

So, you desire to reward failure?

 

We already have that with the EITC and Friedman himself at the time as cited by his fellow free-market capitalism colleague Fred Hazlitt in his critique

"Professor Friedman freely concedes that his proposal, "like any other measure to relieve poverty … reduces the incentives of those helped to help themselves." But he argues that "it does not eliminate that incentive entirely, as a system of supplementing incomes up to some fixed minimum would. An extra dollar earned always means more money available for expenditure."

His full discussion here and very interesting reading https://mises.org/library/fallacies-negative-income-tax

And of course it would have to apply equally across the country just as with race.

 

Not sure how long you can keep convincing yourself that the Progs aren't racist, but good luck with it.

PS: Your comforting assumptions about me are hilariously wrong, but you should probably hold fast to them anyway. Will help sustain your protection of racists.

 

100% racist.

 

What an absolutely apalling idea. Have you no sense of justice and equality at all?

What happens when everyone moves to urban areas to get 200% instead of 130% (and they will)? And what about the hard working and decent guy who earns a dollar too much to qualify - while junkies, gamblers, and lazy a$$holes get the full whack?

 

I posted a link to republicans saying just that

 

You're making no sense here. This is a racist policy, made by racist. You know the one's that see color and want to segregate policy based on color.

 

LOL what could possibly go wrong, I don't know maybe every broke dick junkie would move to your beloved cali, sure you would appreciate the surge. Goodness the left struggle with woke policy and critical thinking.

 

Implications aren't their thing. It's all about what FEELS good today, and damn the consequences (especially to the needy).

 

To one and they didn't even say that already refuted.

 

No, because one of the qualifications is proof of income, and that comes from taxes filed, and how many drug addicts file their taxes?

You really haven't thought your premise through.

Milton Friedman libertarian economic philosophy was the basis for Reagonomics.

You are dissing the libertarian God of modern conservatism.

Your premise assumes that most applicants are drug addicts, which isn't the case.

No matter want the entitlement policy is, there will be abuses, but they will be a small minority, because getting welfare, entitlements, is not that easy.

The point is, that isn't a valid reason for eliminating them.

 

How is that any different with what I previously said?

the hell?
You're suddenly tossing in that the resume's aren't the same, as why they aren't hired.
While I claimed the resume's are the same, except the name. And that they are just discriminated.
here is a source for it:

https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2021/08/18/name-discrimination-jobs

If a black person changed its first name from Yamal to Greg on a resume the chances for an interview increases by 10%.
Black people simply are being discriminated out of getting a fair chance on the job market, and it starts out by weeding them out based on their names.

And so now I got a source for it, like I said this is how it is.
Somehow I think you refuse to accept this. Probably because you do not want that the predominantly white Judean Christian culture is to blame for it,
so black people can't get compensated for what it proven to be true.

 

Is it?

Figure 3.1 shows that 19.6% of white people do drugs vs 20.8% black.
Figure 3.3 shows that this is due age groups of 12 to 17 and 50+. These groups are the only groups who do slightly more drugs than white people. White people do more drugs between 17 to 50.

I wrote "The % of white people doing and dealing drugs is actually the same with black people." And all in all the difference is neglectable small in your source.
You know where a difference is made? It's in the massive incarceration of the black population who do drugs.

While your claim was"What we see in Chicago, which is near where we live, is generational cultural degradation in the black community. Babies having babies, dropping out of school, thinking drugs..."
And so it stands that this just a typical American racist bias. Thanks for playing.

That doesn't a thing about your racist bias about drug use.
While indeed poverty is far more frequent when your a single parent.
Than again, the idea that being a single parent leads to poverty isn't a proven thing.
People experience far more stress when poor. And this stress to even violence and all in all it has a good chance that this leads to breaking up and so causes single parent families.

The Jim Crow laws were rather well designed by the government to specifically push the black community into sheer poverty, for the sake to benefit the Arians and Jews. And so this makes that the black community has to overcome a massively bigger challenge compared to all others. And while the government made it illegal to be that racist, it does not mean that suddenly the culture of seeing the black person as 2nd class is suddenly gone. Heck, the generation who got raised up within the Jim Crow era are people like Trump and Biden, that's people who are currently in control. That racism happens on for instance, the job market, has been proven again and again. Black people are simply coned out of a fair chance, and it's still hurting their wallets, which leads to single parent families.

You're just never minding that being poor leads to a hell of a lot of problems. It leads to poor housing. It leads to poor nutrition. Poor housing and poor nutrition leads to more health problems in general. Being poor and paying bill for healthcare is a problem. This all leads to preforming less well in schools and on jobs. Preforming less well in school and on jobs leads to stress. Stress leads to health problems, violence, and break ups. This is where the US government put the entire black community at, while racism is far from non existed in the US towards the black community. How else could it be this way, when people raised up by legally seeing a black person as 2nd class are still in control of the country? Heck, even you thought that they did more drugs and is a reason why this is causing problems. It's a flat out racist bias and part of judging them all as inferior / 2nd class.

While the Japanese internment camps were just there for like 3 years. They were compensated for this, somewhat, where the black community has not. They also did not lose their previous education and skills. So they could just go forth where they were left out 3 years ago... unlike the black community. I find it rather disgusting you think 3 years of a pauze with a small compensation is anywhere comparable to what was done to the black community. While you name a handful of railroad workers who at some point arrived, the dominant legal group of immigrants who entered the US have been Asians. It's used to be 25% 20 years ago. It's now over 40%. They are predominantly well of Asians who buy their way into college. Something that is out of reach of the deliberately impoverished black American community.

So that too is just ridiculously incomparable. All in all, I don't think you even notice that these unjust claims is all about demanding your viewpoint of seeing black people as inferior to even other minorities and that this is part of discriminating black people Jim Crow style 2.0.

 

Not sure where you think I said progs can not be racist.

 

The government installed a racist policy to crush the entire black community into poverty and 2nd class. That indeed is racist.
Seems rather fitting that government tries to help out those who struggle the most with what the US government inflicted on them at one point.

And I don't see why the people who benefitted from that racism, needs to be supported just like the victims. That's what you want.
Let me remind you that the entire generation of Biden and Trump benefitted personally from the racism against the black community.
Are you seriously going to claim Hunter Biden, who only got it's extremely well paying jobs because his dad enjoyed Apartheid rule, needs the same handout that the victims are getting?

If you want to go that low on morals and norms: go for it.

 

would mind showing evidence of any of that having to do with being black? You regularly post utter fabrications and expect people to just accept them. It’s beginning to look like you just make up whatever you want.

 

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Let's see you note blacks are disproportionately poor. They are disproportionately poor because they lack education and training. A hiring manager only has time for so many interviews for a job opening so wouldn't they be justified to eliminate based on names that sound black? Just using your reasoning here.

 

Seriously. I proved that they are being discriminated and sourced it's true.
And your reply is just repeating your lies and editing out my reply on that + source.
That's just the equivalent you're forfeiting on your fake reality.