Up to 8 years: A bill on punishment for "intolerance" towards LGBT people was introduced in the Rada

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    UKRAINE. HAPPENED... Up to 8 years: A bill on punishment for "intolerance" towards LGBT people was introduced in the Rada
    Administrative or criminal responsibility is proposed to introduce for "intolerance to people on the grounds of sexual orientation and gender identity".
    A draft law that would penalize discrimination against LGBT people has been submitted to the Verkhovna Rada. The initiator of the law was the head of the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine, Denis Shmygal, reports "Strana.ua".

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    https://strana.ua/news/335954-kabmi...oekt-o-nakazanii-za-diskriminatsiju-lhbt.html

    Administrative or criminal responsibility is proposed to introduce for "intolerance towards people on the grounds of sexual orientation and gender identity. If the document is adopted, amendments will be made to the law of Ukraine "On the foundations of prevention and counteraction to discrimination in Ukraine", the Code of Administrative Offences and the Criminal Code of Ukraine.
    In addition, the terminological apparatus will be specified and the powers of the Ukrainian Parliament Commissioner for Human Rights will be expanded.
    It is proposed to punish for direct or indirect restriction of minority rights, public calls for violence based on intolerance, as well as other intentional acts aimed at inciting hatred and enmity, for the same actions committed by an official, as well as for the same actions committed by an organized group of persons or resulting in grave consequences.

    The maximum fine is from five hundred to one thousand untaxed minimum incomes of citizens. Also, a person who violates this law can get from five to eight years in prison.

    Interesting when 'democratic' Ukraine will pass the law proclaiming heterosexual marriages obsolete and outlawed. It's understandable now why Ukraine became the best and beloved darling of the western world.Great, isn't it!
     
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    How is same-sex marriage a threat to heterosexual marriage? <------ that mark denotes a question. That means one is seeking a response.
     
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    When the claim is that the only marriage you can have is a heterosexual one,... than indeed that is threat to same-sex mariage.
     
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    That is NOT the question I asked.
     
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    Same sex "marriage" makes a mockery of real marriage.
     
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    How?
     
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    It is the answer you get in context of the OP. We all know that there is no threat for a homosexual mariage when same sex couples marry.
     
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    Because you read that in the bible?
     
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    dude, regular marriage makes a mockery of real marriage.
     
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    Marriage is a collection of laws and benefits allocated by the government to regulate relationship between man and woman. Homosexual people have nothing to do with that.
    Homosexual marriage is an unjustified special rights for homosexual couples.
    Unjustified special privileges is a threat to Democracy and whole system of Justice that negates special status of the marriage.
     
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    In the same way "trans-women" make a mockery of women.

    They are both aping of outward forms but lack the essence.
     
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    Can you read the sentence your wrote again, please? After doing so, can you explain how that definition can't apply to ALL couples (regardless of gender in either direction?
    No. It would be the exact same definition (see above) and legally binding as it is for a heterosexual couple.
    It's not unjustified. At one time it was illegal to marry interracially. Just because bigots don't like it, it doesn't mean they shouldn't be afforded the same right and privileges as those marrying someone of their own race.

    It would cause a huge outcry if someone told you that you could not make any decisions for or be with your heterosexual partner during their final days in Hospice or couldn't have their assets they bequeathed to you. Yet, a percentage of people feel they have the right to make this decision for homosexual couples.

    You (not personal) don't get to decide what love looks like and denying them the right to have the same privileges and responsibilities each partner in a heterosexual relationship are granted is nothing but plain old, garden variety bigotry.
     
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    By definition, "trans-woman" already denotes the subcategory.
     
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    Well, ALL couples do not need to be regulated.
    Only relationship between man and woman is regulated by the government.
    I though everyone understand that, apparently not.
    It looks like homosexual propagandists have been able to dumb down a lot of people.
     
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    So, you imply that I'm a homosexual propagandist and have been dumbed down. Good. Insults...check.

    Does this mean you have no logical argument as to how "the sanctity of heterosexual relationships" is threatened by homosexual marriages?

    Remember if-then statements from school?

    IF you have no issues with "common law" marriages and "unmarried, but duration counts" laws,
    THEN there should be no problem with homosexual marriage either.

    Now what?
     
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    If this "news" is real... which I doubt... but if Ukraine PM has indeed proposed such a law... the rest of Ukraine will soon belong to Putin.

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    This same-sex marriage crap's been settled....now on to the next frontier, POLYGAMY! Same sex, multi-sex, 3 of one plus 2 of another...why not, if everybody involved is on board, seriously.
     
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    In fact, the Ukrainian government will punish for the negative attitude of adequate people to this government. Because the power in Ukraine seized ..... these same.
     
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    What sanctity?
    I do not buy that.
    My position is not based on some kind of sanctity.
    I am straight forward non-religious man.

    The very important fact is
    Relationship between man and woman needs to be regulated by the government.
    There is absolutely NO natural mechanism that force heterosexual couples to take responsibility for their actions.
    Here we have marriage that regulates them.

    Homosexuals have no need any kind of government involvement.
    I do not understand why the society should provide special rights reserved only for man and woman.


    I am sorry for the rant but...
    Are you guys totally brainwashed or what?
    Why it is so hard to understand simple logic.
     
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    Heterosexual marriages are obsolete and outlawed? Got some proof?

    Are you on the side of harming LGBTQ people? Why?
     
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    How?
    Marriage is a legal contract between 2 people that the gov't recognizes.
     
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    Cite the specific law(s) in your 1st sentence.
     
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    Exactly. Marriage is a business transaction.
    Why does the government need to regulate marriage?
    Same question as above. Why? What is the difference in a heterosexual couple or homosexual couple wanting to marry so their spouse is classified as next of kin (therefore, able to make medical decisions for one another, share finances and raise families together, etc.)?
    It's contradictory to say that heterosexual couples need to be regulated but homosexual couples don't.

    Homosexual couples are capable of love, emotional attachment, child-rearing and all the other stuff that happens between couples except a man can't get pregnant.
    How are they *special* rights? They are just EQUAL rights.
    No, I'm not brainwashed and I *understand* your logic. I just disagree with it.

    https://jezebel.com/handy-map-demonstrates-where-you-can-marry-your-cat-but-5585190
     
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