Vaccination after infection? Help me understand.

But none that reach immune individuals.

 

The reason we have flu shots is to sustain the specious claims that all vaccines work. We have flu shots to help the profit margin of pharma.

 

So... VAERS... the thing conceived of, developed by, hosted by, and completely controlled by the people supposedly trying to hide this exact information from you? The place where anyone can post that they looked at a vaccine and it turned them into the hulk? The system that found 7 credible complaints and stopped an entire vaccine in the middle of a pandemic? Yeah... I don't think I'm the one in denial.

Look, even if we coddle your deepest fever dreams, the risks of not getting a vaccine so massively outweigh the costs of getting one that... well, I can't really think of an analogy stupid enough even if we imagined every made up complaint was real, it would still be super stupid to pass up a vaccine compared to the chance of getting covid. That's before we even think about the fact that the real reason you are stupid for getting covid is that you spread it, not die from it. And, we still are forgetting about the part where you are acting as an incubator for mutations.

But, you know... keep desperately grasping for reasons to think you are not the worst scum on the planet...

 

It is far easier to fool a man than it is to explain to him how he has been fooled.

 

If my natural immunity - immunity derived from my system's reaction to the virus - will not protect me, why do you think vaccinated immunity - immunity derived from my systems reaction to the vaccine - will?

 

Lot of dead people never got to step 2.

 

You didn't answer my question.

 

That is a terrific appeal to emotions. It seems that is all you have in the discussion.

 

So where is what it really is. There is not WWII, but you were asked to wear masks. You were too big of cowarads to do it. Asked to get a shot, you were cowarads. Now, the excuse is the nonexistant “side effects”/' Of course you beliefve anything stupid. Here is the consistent part: it might help other peopel. It might be outside of your stupid selfish slimy ;ittle claws. You would never do anythign that isn't completely selfish. THat's why you are trumpers. you are horrible worthless trumpers. You aren't Americans. You are slimy, little worms. The thing is that you know it.

 

Wow. Serious anger issues. Get help.

 

Well, yeah. Can you imagine anyone being so stupid and horrible to people? The help I should get is murdering people who don't wear masks right?

 

Dude, you used to be rational. There are people on PF that hate Trump, yet are concerned about vaccines with so many unknowns. Are they worms?

Why are you so wound up about masks for Covid? There are nutrition and lack of exercise induced type 2 diabetics out on highways killing people in accidents and we don’t call them America hating worms. These same people are most at risk from Covid but won’t change their lifestyle to address the comorbidities. Yet they expect others to take actions (masks/vaccination) to protect them even though they won’t pass up the cheesecake to help protect themselves. Hell, there are sleep deprived people out on highways killing people just because they wanted to binge watch some show on Netflix. Where’s the outrage?

You loath Trump folks but have no criticism for people like Dr. Fauci who is responsible for more death and sickness because of incorrect mask advice than any Trump supporter.

Don’t get me wrong. Trump was an idiot on Covid. But so were his advisers, some of which are revered to this day by those who disliked Trump. And I admit I was a bit surprised at how anti mask 99.9% of anti Trump people really are. I have yet to “meet” one anti Trumper that actually follows the “science” on mask usage. I find it troubling, but again, it’s their choice to deny science and put themselves, others, and their families at risk to infection they could have easily prevented. They just plain didn’t feel like wearing masks in situations where they would have prevented the most infections.

If getting people vaccinated is your goal, you are being very counter productive. I’m for giving people good information so they can make good decisions on every aspect of Covid. I’m against using ad hominem attack and belligerence to attempt to influence behavior. But maybe I’m incorrect in assuming advancing vaccination is your goal. If I’ve misread that detail I apologize.

 

Ok. first let me confess that I come here to vent. This isn't a smart forum. it's not a place where people come to change their minds. To be fair have learned a few things, but that's not what I'm here for because these people aren't smart. I don't come here in an even state of mind anymore. I come here to yell.

Ok, all that off my chest, Fauci is a scientist. Things change, he got things wrong. He learned. It's not like he said this would be gone by spring. He was never THAT wrong. As for vaccines, it's too easy
get it or be a killer. Life isn't THAT complicated.

So, let me reset once. I understand that that 9 people who read this might be hardened against what I say. I know that doesn't matter, I also know that it gives me a place to yell at the horrible horrible killers we have. I don't know what else to say. I'm wrong. I should be better about trying to change minds, I also hate the nazis who are killing so many people. so.... ****

 

I sympathize with the fact that I no longer resonate with the moderates. But I kinda think they never did listen to me, America is a thing that was never symbolic...

 

"Vaccination after infection? Help me understand."

this is a good video as it tells about how the vaccine targets the spikes.... what the virus uses as keys to get into the cells

starts about 4:30



natural immunity targets the virus as a whole, the vaccine targets the spikes, which is why variants are covered better too with the vaccine

this is why the cdc still recommends the vaccine to those that have caught covid already

 

I’ve found PF to be pretty representative of America. Probably on the “senior” side, but as far as intelligence goes it’s a nice bell curve. Which is fine with me. I abhor elitism.

No. Fauci is a brilliant man who did not “get things wrong”. He deliberately gave advice that is 180 degrees out of phase with known principles of virology and epidemiology. And it didn’t stop with the Trump/Biden regime change. The man is so smart he fooled you. He had me fooled for a while. I will always regret how long it took me to untangle his disinformation on masks and attempt to correct it here so people could choose to protect themselves if they so desired.

Just one example of his advice that cost countless lives and illnesses was his advice to not wear N95 or better quality masks. We knew before we had heard of C19 that N95 masks are orders of magnitude better at source control and individual protection than cloth (homemade) masks. Yet in July of 2020 Fauci was still saying in interviews that cloth masks were just as good as N95 type masks. Furthermore, even after millions of domestically produced NIOSH certified masks were piling up in warehouses without buyers, he still specifically recommended against their use. This continued after the Biden inauguration. There is NO excuse for this. It was not progression of science or a mistake.

Well, there is a lot of hate going around these days. It’s what government wants. They don’t care who you hate as long as you hate someone. That way the attention and pressure is off of them and a united America can never change government back to what it was intended to be.

As far as unvaccinated being killers, does that go for influenza as well? Why is it a big deal now when influenza has been killing over 100,000 Americans annually for decades? It just isn’t logical to call those unvaccinated against Covid killers when there are so many other “killers” running around putting people in danger. We have to be intellectually consistent.

I’ll reiterate in closing. You’ve been fooled into believing only a certain demographic are Covid killers. As I said, anti Trumpers are as vehemently anti mask as any Trumper and responsible for millions of unnecessary infections. I see no value in dividing people up by partisan lines when they all denied the same science and spread SARS-CoV-2 in ways it didn’t have to be spread.

 

America will fall because of two party partisanship. We are being played like fiddles. We’ve completely abandoned the foundations that made us great in favor of foundations we’ve seen fail over and over throughout history.

 

No

Fauci was pretty much only wrong about masks. Again, it's not like he was as wrong as someone who said covid was "just a flu." He was wrong for about a week and he changed. The bad people didn't change did they? It really isn't true that anti'trumpers are as bad as trumpers, that simply just isn't th case. Just liek it isn't the case that anti-trumpers want to end America as much as trumpers. The notion of 'both sides' is actually one of the biggest killers in this country.

 

To some degree you are right. But, ir is because the right got bought. The two sides are not equal.

 

Fauci was not wrong for a week. You’ve been deceived. He recommended against all masks for over six weeks while epidemiologist in South Korea were working with government and industry to supply masks to their population. As I pointed out, he never recommended good quality masks even when manufacturers couldn’t get rid of surplus. His denial of science began in February of 2020 and never ceased.

Fauci never corrected the disinformation that public mask use was key to ending the pandemic. He never leveled with the public and explained that the science clearly shows infection is much more likely in the home than in public. We had him going along with outdoor masking (which is the place one is least likely to be infected), but never explaining use at home would be much more effective as likelihood of infection is at least six times greater in the home than in public.

Any epidemiologist knows the best way to prevent passing SARS-CoV-2 to others is to ensure you don’t become infected yourself. You even admit this when you advocate for vaccination. Yet Fauci’s official narrative was of mask use for source control. Even after N95 masks were readily available to people wishing to protect themselves.

It’s not just masks. He claimed numerous times he didn’t recommend masks in February and March of 2020 because we didn’t know SARS-CoV-2 “could” be spread by asymptotic and pre-symptomatic infected individuals. Of course anyone with any background in virology knows all respiratory viruses spread asymptotically and pre-symptomatically to some degree. And many do so unpredictability. For instance, the same strain of influenza can spread prolifically asymptotically in some outbreaks, but less so in other outbreaks. And we don’t know why. An epidemiologist with any knowledge of virology would recommend mitigations based on these known facts, not lie about those facts and refuse to recommend masks for six weeks while the virus spread like wildfire in the US. Fauci is an intelligent, well educated man. This was not a mistake or a case of lack of information.

Another disinformation campaign was testing. It was marketed as the holy grail of pandemic ending technology. It was referred to as “gold standard”. All the while it was known in most cases PCR tests can’t identify infected individuals until after they have been infectious for days. The data on tests administered in states vs. mortality rates shows the folly. States with the most testing do not have lower death rates. In fact if anything they have more deaths.

The list of frauds you (and most everyone else) fell for is long—a very long list of violations of known principles of epidemiology. But you all accepted the frauds because of appeal to authority. Fact and empirical evidence produced via the scientific method were discarded in favor of appealing to the authority of a man who looked cross eyed at the former president.

And yes, both parties fell for it. The only difference is one side wanted to force others to follow bad advice. You have chosen that side. A side that denies science just as much as the other, just in different ways and on different subjects. The only way to avoid repeated deception is to admit both sides depend on deception to keep you loyal.

 

Both sides say that about the other. Even if one is slightly less dishonest, why ally yourself with them based on them being slightly less dishonest? It doesn’t have to be a binary choice. The binary choice doesn’t benefit you, it benefits party you choose.

 

I can tell you have never visited the U.S. I'm sorry you have become so unhappy.

 

That you still believe in masks shows how happily misinformed you are. Regarding taking the dangerous experimental drugs, fools rush in where wise men fear to tread.

 

Fauci is a liar embedded in a network of liars, fake news, left-wing social media and lying "fact" checkers.

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They called the truth "disinformation" and deliberately suppressed it for 15 months. It's only now that that they have finally lost control of the narrative, in a nation that supposedly has free speech, that we can finally freely discuss the points we have been bringing forward the entire time.

NO ONE can ever again have the power to do what this coordinating group on the Left has done to this country for 16 months.

 

yes, the Trump admin lied to us about masks early on because there was a shortage and they wanted to keep the medical community going

I do not approve of the lies, even for good reasons as it loses credibility down the line - the truth matters

Fauci hurt his credibility when he gave in and did what Trump wanted, he praised Trump and lied for Trump - always tell the truth even if you will get fired for it