Vaccination after infection? Help me understand.

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    people can always choose the alternative

    police officers were offered the vaccine in January... he refused, said he had an immune system

    "Anti-Mask Cop Dies From COVID-19"

     
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    Lies told by Fauci under the Biden administration are somehow not of interest to you however? This is how people like Fauci get away with habitual lying. He’s smart enough to play to your partisan biases. He knows you will actively defend lies told in conjunction with politicians you approve of. It isn’t truth that matters to the American people anymore—they just want to be ruled by liars of their own tribe.
     
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    what lies did Fauci tell under the Biden admin
     
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    Fauci and everyone else are just giving Americans what they ask for. When a society decides they wish to be ruled by elites instead of true representation this is what we get—an oligarchy based on appeal to authority. It won’t change because there will never again be a majority of Americans who wish to think for themselves and make their own decisions.

    Those who do wish to think for themselves and make their own decisions must be independent. If you depend on government or the government “approved” system of delivery of goods and services you will always be at their mercy. Now is the time to disentangle from the system that sees you as a commodity instead of as the master of your own destiny. The biggest lie is that we don’t have the option of controlling our destiny anymore.
     
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    He continued to tell people not to wear quality masks. When domestically produced NIOSH certified N95 masks were piling up in warehouses without buyers he told you to NOT wear them even though we KNOW they save more lives than homemade cloth masks.

    He has NEVER come clean on this list of lies. If he was honest and Trump made him tell the following lies he would level with you under Biden.

     
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    do you have a quote of him telling the American people that under Biden?
     
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    We do. And we have a duty to maintain control of our government. Right now we are in the "Name and Shame" portion of the task.

    [​IMG]

    This is why, we as a free people cannot stand still for censorship, deplatforming and the suppression of free speech because some coordinating group of clowns and "fact" checkers labels views other than theirs "disinformation".

    Trump was right.
    DeSantis is right.
     
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    Sure. This is the most humorous exchange with Fauci and the official Biden spokeswoman for Covid. The best excuse comes from the Biden official— can’t let you have N95’s to protect you because we know you won’t wear them. LOL

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/27/app-news-section/full-coronavirus-town-hall-january-27/index.html

    Start at the 27:50 mark of the first segment.

    The NYT had a good piece on how the Biden administration failed to get N95 masks into the hands of those who need them.
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ny...alth/covid-masks-china-united-states.amp.html

    It’s clear Fauci does not want average folks wearing N95 masks. I’ve been posting links to affordable N95’s since Jan. 8.

    The link is now defunct in the following post but the pull quote is there and the masks were available to deliver to your door at lower than pre-pandemic prices. Yet the Biden Administration (and Fauci’s NIH) has never told Americans masks are available, let alone recommended them. They continue to recommend against them.


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?posts/1072355405/

    In another humorous piece, Fauci shows how to double mask to achieve better protection instead of recommending American made N95 masks nobody knows are piling up in warehouses. As per the NYT piece, these entrepreneurs who stepped up to supply us with good masks now risk going out of business because the government is recommending AGAINST their superior product.
     
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    not seeing the quote you are referring too, maybe if you put the quote here in quotes, would help

    "Biden administration failed to get N95 masks into the hands of those who need them."

    how many months did Trump have to solve that issue?

    under Biden can buy one on Amazon if you want one
     
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    Yeah, now do one of someone that got the experimental treatment and died.
     
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    I watched your video by a YouTube actor that contains verifiably false information. You can watch Fauci in his own words in the video and time stamp I’ve provided you. I can’t force you to learn but I’m happy to provide you with information. Just watch it. It’s entertaining.
    Yep. He even failed to get the domestically produced masks into the hands of healthcare workers as my links show. How crazy is that? Nurses re-using masks for months when there are millions of brand new ones on shelves. Fauci and the Biden administration wouldn’t lift a finger to help healthcare workers. That’s who Fauci claimed to be trying to help with his first mask lies. Turns out he won’t help them get masks that are sitting around without buyers. Crazy.
    Why would he when his top adviser said Americans shouldn’t wear masks and then that cloth masks were just as good as N95 masks?

    Fortunately American entrepreneurs came through for us and those intelligent enough to see through the fraud can buy N95 masks even though Fauci and Biden don’t want you to have them.

    Yes, because Amazon loves money. You can go against the explicit advice of the Biden administration and purchase all the N95 masks you want. It makes you a dangerous rebel anarchist, but at least you are protecting yourself from infection. :)
     
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    feel free to post such if you can find someone mocking others for not getting the vaccine on social media and then died from getting the vaccine
     
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    I tried to watch the video on your link, it was not even 27 min long, so no 27:50 mark

    edit, found the first picture was actually a video and what he said was fine, he did not say that n95 should not be worn, just that he was ok with the other masks and would have less compliance, what he said was ok

    in this case Fauci was honest, in the previous admin, Fauci outright lied about masks - he lied I will admit for a good reason under Trump, there was a shortage, but that said, lying only hurts credibility in the future, be it Trump or Fauci doing the lying - and both needed that future credibility, especially in times of crisis like this, I could not trust that Fauci would not lie to me again if he felt it was for the general good of all, I think he would
     
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    Well, you seem to be the one into fear porn.
     
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    You are watching the second segment. I specifically said segment 1 to avoid that. They are labeled.
     
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    yeah, I edited the post, when I went back I saw the play icon on it, was hard to see
     
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    sadly what I posted was real, and that was a real cop interacting with the public, refusing to wear a mask or get the vaccine

    and in fact harassing people online that did take it seriously, talking about assaulting them if they asked him to wear a mask

    "'Before you shame me in public for not having a mask, ask yourself a simple question. Will this mask stop and uppercut?'"

    and shortly after, he died of Covid - yes, that will make the news, he was a cop, he used his position of authority to spread his views

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    No worries. The coloring does make the white play icon disappear.
     
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    More Vaccination
    Better Vaccination
    <kidding>


    When I was a kid, we got only 6 at a time.
    A D, a P, a T plus 3 types of polio = 6
    Today that 6 is inflated to over 50, mandated by law!


    Moi :oldman:
    More Research for
    anti Covid medicines!
    Vaccination is NOT the solution


    Vaccination does have down sides.
    Research: Guillain-Barre syndrome
    it don't care if the immune response was triggered
    by "native" infection or vaccination triggered
     
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    No, what he said is direct denial of known empirical evidence. His job is to inform Americans how best to protect themselves and others. He has done the opposite under two administrations. Fauci once claimed Americans should save N95 masks for healthcare workers because they were in short supply. Now that they are plentiful he will not help healthcare workers or normal Americans protect themselves.

    What if we had two vaccines available in the US. One protected 97% of vaccinees from infection. The other protected 60% of vaccinees. Both were safe. Both were readily available to anyone who wanted them. Neither had serious side effects. But Trump was going around telling people to take the 60% effective vaccine and that Americans don’t need the 97% effective vaccine. Then he told everyone they were the same, but still recommended the 60% effective vaccine. Millions of individuals were infected and thousands died because everyone took his advice. What would you think of Trump acting in this manner?
     
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    like I said, they should always tell the Truth, Trump, and the rest of his admin, sad they did not
    it hurts future credibility in a crisis... and you're proving my point
     
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    And neither is the Biden administration. But you don’t care about that. Why? Why do you only care if certain people lie? Why is the same lie told by the same person under two administrations bad under one administration but ok or good under a different administration?

    Please explain, if the long list of Fauci’s lies I provided you with were Trump’s idea and not Fauci’s, why didn’t Fauci correct the disinformation he supplied under Trump when Biden kept him on as top adviser? Why has he not informed you all those things he said under Trump were wrong and dangerous and we now need to follow science? Shouldn’t he tell the truth now? Why do you idolize a man that would lie for two presidents in a row if all he is doing is the will of the presidents? Why defend a man who won’t to this day give you correct information he withheld from you under Trump?

    I’ve been asking you for months to supply some evidence any of these lies were Trump’s idea and not Fauci’s idea. So far you have only made unsubstantiated claims. You can provide no evidence Trump even knows enough about virology or epidemiology to formulate such lies. If they really are Trump’s lies, why did you fall for all of them? Is Trump that smart that he made you and everyone else believe cloth masks are as good as N95 masks? Is Trump so sharp of wit that he convinced you to wear masks in places the risk of infection is nearly zero but to not wear one where the average American is most likely to be infected? If these are Trump’s lies, he sure fooled you all. If I had fallen for all those lies from a boob like Trump I’d be embarrassed. :)
     
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    why if you attack Fauci now do you blame it on Biden, but under Trump you did not?

    Biden should not of hired him due to his credibility problem
     
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    I’m not blaming it on Biden. I’m trying to get you to be intellectually honest. Biden is as ignorant of science as Trump. Every lie Fauci has told he told of his own volition. You have claimed it was Trump’s ideas and Trump’s lies Fauci was parroting. I’m asking you to back up that claim. You won’t even try to do so.

    I hold nobody responsible but Fauci. I hold neither Trump or Biden in high esteem. In fact I’m completely ambivalent on the both of them. They don’t factor into the science/Fauci/dishonesty metric at all because both are ignorant on the subjects of virology and epidemiology. I’m simply trying to figure out why you support the same lies from one administration but not the other.

    I agree Biden should not have kept him on. I’ve pointed that out on PF before. If Biden really was going to follow the science on Covid he should not have kept Fauci because Fauci does not follow the science. He didn’t under trump and he doesn’t under Biden.
     
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    I have already criticized Fauci many times for lying, even if for a good cause in his mind, lying ruins his credibility
     

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