Virus surge hits New England despite high vaccination rates

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  1. ButterBalls

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    And I have quoted from them too, clearly you don't follow your own advice :shock:
     
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    You obviously didn’t listen . It’s done exactly what it was suppose to do. Obviously it failed in making deniers smarter.
     
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    It seems your prejudice is per PF as many of the source you qualify are LINKED here regularly LMFAO..

     
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    Your CDC claim does not substantiate your allegation that the news articles are "just plain lying." Aside from the fact that the news articles are citing doctors and others, the proportion of people infected who are vaccinated does not correlate to the high numbers of people being hospitalized with COVID-19, because the vaccinated people with infections are not necessarily hospitalized with those infections. Likewise, your non-specific claim about hospitals firing staff who refused to be vaccinated does not automatically explain the full intensive care units or staff shortages. At minimum, you would have to take a look at the facts on a case-by-case basis to make that determination.

    As your article states:

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    Hospitals across the region are seeing full intensive care units and staff shortages are starting to affect care. Public officials are pleading with the unvaccinated to get the shots. Health care workers are coping with pent-up demand for other kinds of care that had been delayed by the pandemic.

    ...

    Even though parts of New England are seeing record case counts, hospitalizations and deaths that rival pre-vaccine peaks, largely among the unvaccinated, the region hasn’t seen the impact the delta variant wave has wrought on other parts of the country.

    ...

    According to the AP data, full vaccination rates across the six New England states range from a high of 69.4% in Vermont to 61.5% in New Hampshire.

    ... Virus surge hits New England despite high vaccination rates (apnews.com)

    That last point is also important, because it means that 30% or more of residents in these states are still vulnerable to the highly virulent delta variant, and that is a lot of people. Coupled with the "pent-up demand for other kinds of care" delayed by the pandemic, you can see how hospitals would find themselves reaching capacity despite the current vaccination rates.

    And here you are trying to contribute the problem, it would seem, by falsely claiming that the story is lying when it is not and apparently arguing that people should not be vaccinated. When you tell people not to be vaccinated, you are telling them to be a part of the problem, not the solution.
     
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    That tactic won Biden an election so it does work.
     
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    No it hasn't done what it was suppose to :) That is also been retracted by both Pfizer and Fauci, dang bro, why continue to eviscerate yourself on commonly known news.. I understand now why you quickly resort to calling people liars, you really don't have a firm handle on this subject. And hells bells bro you even claim to be a follower of

    I'm stunned :shock:
     
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    You must be doing it in stealth.
     
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    Ya that's it :) Honestly stealth is something you seriously should add to your plethora of subject matter on COVID!
     
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    You should be. It’s Greek to deniers.
     
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    I see a lot of posts around claiming 90-99% of infections/hospitalizations/etc. are in the unvaccinated. Here is the data from Massachusetts from a week or so ago.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nb...more-deaths-in-vaccinated-people/2503185/?amp
    Are vaccines preventing infections? Yep. Are vaccines preventing bad outcomes? Yep.

    Let’s stick to the facts though, ok? There’s no reason to tell tall tales.

    Why do I bring this up? Because people at high risk need to understand being vaccinated doesn’t guarantee their safety. People need to realize their lifestyle health choices matter. People need to realize their social behavior still matters. We can’t expect vaccine efficacy to mirror that demonstrated in trials when people were still social distancing and practicing other mitigations. When we drop those mitigations the real world efficacy of vaccination WILL drop.

    Vaccinated individuals concerned about being infected need to stop and consider how their lifestyle either adds or detracts from the potential efficacy of vaccination.
     
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    Seriously. Can you actually state what vaccines in general do ?
     
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    Even more important are these numbers from your same reference.
    “Both figures remain a tiny percentage of the total number of all people who have been vaccinated -- just 0.03% of vaccinated people have been hospitalized, and 0.8% have confirmed infections. An even smaller percentage has died: 0.006%. The report also doesn't indicate how many of the breakthrough cases are in people with underlying conditions, though it also notes that "may be undercounted due to discrepancies" in records.”
     
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    Hear hear, people, this is how Kazenatsu operates. He makes a big deal of infection surges in New England as proof that the vaccines don't work because New England has high vaccination rates...

    However when you dig into the situation you find this:

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/england-experiencing-covid-surge-despite-152119358.html

    "The infections recorded are largely among the unvaccinated"

    So how in the hell is a bunch of unvaccinated people getting infected, proof that the vaccines don't work?

    Again, NEVER believe in ANYTHING that the anti-vaxxer known as Kazenatsu posts, folks.

    This is a public announcement for your benefit.

    You're welcome.
     
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    No, what’s most important is making sure people understand they can either help or hinder how vaccination protects them. It’s also important to tell the truth. Lying is why so many are vaccine hesitant.

    Many breakthrough infections are in people who didn’t lose weight or who killed their livers and kidneys with alcohol and poor diet. This is my point. You can’t expect to make bad lifestyle choices and have great vaccine efficacy as well. Doesn’t work that way. People need to understand this or vaccination may actually put them at increased risk if they put too much faith in it to overcome their bad lifestyle choices.

    People should have been informed of ways they can increase efficacy of vaccination. Again, if such lifesaving information is to be heard, it’s going to have to be from me, because “experts” don’t value your life like I do. They won’t inform you of these facts.
     
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    That's true, it's not the best substantiation. But it's interesting those percentage numbers seem to be so much different in other countries. It leads one to suspect there could be statistical fraud going on.
    Also interesting is those percentages look so different in different states. It should not look that way. The most progressive states seem to have higher percentages of unvaccinated in their hospitals... and yet, in these other countries with extremely high vaccination rates they have lower percentages of unvaccinated in their hospitals, suggesting it's not just due to high vaccination rates.
     
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    Seriously ? Just because Trump pushed lies everyday, you think it’s normal for every medical research facility which the cdc depends upon, to do the same.
    THE CDC NEVER SUGGESTED WE GARGLE WITH INDUSTRIAL CLEANER. THAT WAS A REPO LEADER.
     
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    Who lied ? Trump,or the cdc ?
     
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    Hospitals in Highly Vaccinated States Like Massachusetts, Vermont, and Maine Are Feeling the Squeeze | National Review

    Vermont, where more than 86 percent of those eligible for vaccination have at least one shot, is experiencing concerns about hospital capacity.

    The state's largest hospital is straining to care for "a very high number of patients" amid Vermont’s rising coronavirus cases, according to information the hospital provided on Friday afternoon.

    The rise of Covid-19 cases "as the Delta variant spreads," plus other critically ill patients and those seeking care that was delayed earlier in the pandemic, has prompted staff at Burlington-based University of Vermont Medical Center to reschedule some non-urgent procedures to make space.

    The hospital is "utilizing a high percentage of inpatient beds at this time," he said, although the number varies throughout each day.

    Mind you, as of this morning, Vermont has just 33 people in hospitals because of COVID-19, and just 13 in the ICU. Then again, having 30-some people in Vermont hospitals can still be a lot for a tiny state; the worst date appears to have been February 7, when the state had 65. The state had less than 12 people in the hospital on any given day from May 14 until August 6.
    The state of Massachusetts is claiming that about 26 percent of all COVID hospitalizations are among the unvaccinated.
    The states statistics say that 68% of the residents in the state have been fully vaccinated, with 77% receiving at least one dose.

    Based on those statistics one could calculate the unvaccinated would be about 2.8 times more likely to end up in the hospital than the vaccinated.

    This is just my personal opinion but that doesn't seem like a huge enough difference to be forcing this on people.
    And that difference might easily be explained by other factors, like taking precautions. (Obviously those who got the vaccine would probably also be more likely to wear masks and distance)
     
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    All the above and many more.
     
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    Pick out one lie from the cdc with a source. You obviously can’t do it., neither the cdc nor medical research can lie. Science does allow it and it doesn’t make implementation decisions.,
     
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    Communist thinking.

    Hospitals are NOT a public resource. You can't use that to justify taking away people's rights.

    If there's not enough hospitals, go start your own. Half these people don't even really need to go to a hospital, they just need an oxygen tank.
     
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    Oooooh. Name calling. The red counties in Maine are not communist…they say.
     
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    Of course. They are most likely to become infected. What’s so hard to understand ?
     
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    Yet in other countries, the opposite is the case.

    How could one thing be causing two opposite effects?

    Do high vaccination rates lead to a higher or lower percentage of vaccinated relative to unvaccinated in hospitals?
     
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