Vote: Gingrich or Romney

Who says they're going to be ? There are thousands of local boards which are in heavily Democrat districts, and have a majority of Democrats (mine included). If you left deportation vs. amnesty up to my local board, the town would be swarming with illegal aliens. Guess what. My district is swarming with illegal aliens, and all those local Democrat politicians is one of the reasons why.

 

The more i watch of the recent debates and the more rhetoric i hear from Newt, the more i start to dislike him.. I am a fan of neither but Romney is quickly looking less crazy or asinine. Moon bases and second terms be (*)(*)(*)(*)ed

 

What boards are you talking about. Newt is talking a new plan not something you already think we have.

 

The Romney smear campaign does not bother you? Here in Florida the TV is being bombarded by the Romney smear ads against Newt.

 

I dont get to see it in PA. I find them both morally detestable, and President BO isn't much better. I am apathetic towards all 3 at this point. Still id vote for any of these guys before id vote for Rick Santorum..

Though as that one guy here stated earlier, voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.

 

If political smears are true, then it is the object of those smears who has smeared himself.

 

Most are not true. Romney is a Massachusetts liberal and does character assassination almost as good as Obama.

 

Gingrich, because Palin supports him.

 

Gingrich himself has a liberal side to him. Like his pal Reagan, he is for amnesty for illegal aliens. He says he means that only for illegals who have been in the USA for many years. That's what he says now, but what will he do if he were to become president. The he praises so much gave amnesty to all illegal aliens.

As for Gingrich's character ? LOL. The latest on that was him telling his campaign people today, that a new poll ,just released, showed him in a virtual tie with Romney. He didn't tell the cheering staffers that although the poll was released today, it was taken over a week ago, after the South Carolina primary, and before the last debate.

 

Does not matter it seems the establishment liberal Washington insiders have won and we will get yet another liberal president.

 

Gingrich is far more of a liberal Washington insider than Romney. Nothing is more liberal than giving amnesty to illegal aliens, and Gingrich is the guy who has spent years in the Washington establishment, not Romney.

 

Romney grew up in politics with his dad being a politician. Obamacare comes from Romneycare. Romney is just another Massachusetts liberal like Kerry.

Romney was for abortion before he seen political gain in being against it.

 

Romney is probably going to be the Republican candidate. And even as a Conservative, I don't mind Romneycare or Obamacare. You may need that government help someday. What if you incur a lifelong serious illness or injury ?
And you insurance company drops you like a hot potato. You'll be glad to have that government healthcare to fall back on. You won't have a private insurer to help you. They'll just see you as more of a liability (a lo$$) than a benefit.

 

Stories that insurance companies drop people that get sick, ARE LIES. Especially the one told by the lying fool obama about the man that developed cancer and his insurance company dropped him. They rescinded his policy because it was a brand new policy and he failed to disclose a pre-existing condition on his application. BY LAW, insurance companies can do that ONLY in the first 2 years of a policy. After that, THEY CANNOT DROP ANYONE, its the law. The man appealed because his pre-existing condition did not involve Cancer. The insurance company REINSTATED him, ridering out coverage of his pre-existing condition. There was no court involved, the company was not forced to reinstate him. They paid for all of his cancer treatment until the Doctors said the treatment was ended. The man lived for 4 more years after that treatment ended.

The rules of auto insurance or property and casualty insurance are completely different. HEALTH insurance companies CANNOT drop anyone due to CLAIMS HISTORY.

 

I doubt if you are a conservative if you support government healthcare. The only way would be if you know nothing about Obamacare, or the control the increase expense to tax payers and the government money to pay for abortions that are in Obamacare.

 

Nonsense !

How many times did you contradict yourself in this post ? 3, 4, 5 ?

Insurance companies drop people all the time, and not just patients. They drop doctors too. They dropped mine. I've seen stories galore on news shows like 60 minutes of people being dropped by private insurance companies. Makes sense to them. If they have to pay for your lifelong ailment, it reduces their profits. Insurance companies are in business to make money, not see that you're well. That's why medical care needs to be public, not private.

 

Obamacare will hurt doctors

http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/se...obamacare-study-finds-40-of-doctors-may-quit/

 

Doctors have been raiding insurance companies and driving up our rates for years. They could take a little hurt. Some are the biggest thieves in town. And car doctors too.

If the doctors get hurt too badly, adjustments could be made.

 

60 minutes? That is you reliable accurate source? That's clownish at best. bho lied about a man being dropped. He lied for political purposes, just as the media presents whatever will sell their ad space best.

There are laws, look them up. HEALTH insurers CANNOT cancel an in force policy, except for non-payment of premiums or proven fraud. Nor can they increase an individual's premium due to claims history. Those are laws set by State Insurance Commissions. Not all states are the same but NONE allows an insurer to drop a patient for claims. Dropping a Doctor? Newsflash for you, The relationship between an insurance company and a Doctor is a business relationship. It is not an insurer/patient/doctor relationship. The Doctor wants more money, the insurer drops him. Most times the Doctor opts out of a provider group. all that happens is that the INSURED now has to pay the "out of PPO" co-pay instead of the in PPO co-pay. $20 to $40 more. If a Doctor is a licensed recognized Doctor by his state, the insurer cannot refuse to pay a claim because that's the Doctor you wish to see. You just pay more because he is out of the PPO.

How many times did I contradict myself in the previous post? None. Is your head filled with misinformation and wrongful opinions? YES. Did I state facts about insurance laws? Yes!

Do you need to look up laws, [look for your state insurance commissioner] Yes you do.

 

What crap Obamcare is bad news and will hurt all of us and cost us more than we pay now. I have my own insurance. My company does not provide it. $600 a month I expect Obamacare will cost me much more in taxes.

 

Part of the smoke and mirrors imaginary financing of obamacare is supposed to come from Medicare. HALF of obamacare financing. IT SIMPLY WON'T HAPPEN.
But standing on the books for SOME YEARS now is a rule that says Medicare will cut reimbursements to Doctors by 21%. But the govt keeps putting off WHEN they will put that rule into effect. WHY? Because, unlike regular insurance reimbursements at regular medical prices. Medicare [and Medicaid] pay doctors a set fee for office visits and procedures. For instance, the set fee under Medicare for a 'routine office visit' is ZERO. Medicare only pays for "acute" care. So Doctors have to lie that they preform a certain treatment or not get paid at all. And the Medicare [CMS] reimbursement rate is less than HALF the normal fees allowed by commercial insurance companies. On the low CMS pay outs now, before the 21% cut is in effect, if ever, Doctors are already NOT taking any more Medicare patients. My cardiologist for one, My wife became a patient of his ONE DAY before he cut off any new Medicare patients. He is considered the best in the area.

So obamacare will cause some Doctors to stop practicing or restrict their practice to self pay patients. Just like what happens in European UHC countries. The best Doctors don't participate.
For instance, my cardio. He gets $150.00 for follow up treatment. Commercial insurance companies contracts with him to pay him a certain percentage of that amount. Medicare allows $60.00 total, of which I pay 20%, $12.00 and Medicare [CMS] pays him $48.00. If the new rule is ever invoked, he will get a total of $47.40. $9.48 from me and the rest from CMS.

Hospitals get a vastly different pay plan from CMS. When a person is admitted to the hospital, there MUST be an "admitting diagnosis." If the person is kept in the hospital for 24 hours OR MORE, the hospital gets a set fee for that diagnosis. ONE payment for that problem. No matter if the patient is sent home in 2 days or 22 days, the payment is the same. Have you heard about early ambulation of patients and short hospital stays? THAT is why.

Facts, not erroneous opinions. Look it up.

 

Our options for 2012.

Nuwsh vs Obama, or Oroma vs Obama.

Looks like Oroma vs Obama going to take it.

Something tells me Obama will beat Oroma, like he beat McCama.

LMAO

 

Well the Republicans have at their disposal the most nasty, damming, horrible, negative, political ad in all history.

obama's RECORD!

Can you make up a catchy jingle using the words $5 trillion in debt and 3 years? But by campaign time it will be $6.5 TRILLION and 3.5 years. Bet the Republicans can find someone to make a catchy jingle out of that. Or longest period of unemployment over 8% in history. Hmmm that doesn't 'sing.' But then I'm not a song or jingle writer. Where's Charlie Harper?

 

Are you nuts ? or just incredibly stupid, or just programmed by Republican propaganda ? Sounds like you've been listening to the really faulty sources (like Rush Limbaugh). Insurance companies drop patients all the time, and they doctors too - I just got through telling you that. Are you dense ? Laws ? They're broken every day, jerk. And nobody does anything about it, or gives a crap. Welcome to the real world.

 

It won't cost you more in taxes, and if your taxes are too low, they should be higher. And if your insurance company drops you like a hot potato when you come down with a lifelong serious ailment, where do you go for help then ? Huh ? Or maybe you can ask Dan40 here, who is oblivious to the millions of dropped medical insurance policies, and is walking around thinking they never existed, because his "reliable" source, Rush Limbaugh told him so. Yeah, that's it - just talk to Dan40. He'll make you feel better about it, until your insurance company drops you (refuses to renew you, or raises your rates so high you couldn't possibly pay it - that's just one technique of dropping you). Happens EVERY DAY (despite Dan40's dream world).