And the problem is? You're talking about a rape victim who could have got an abortion earlier, but waited and waited. Now there's a baby in there - and if she kills it, that murder is on her.
We're talking about zygotes, not "babies". Abortion doesn't have anything to do with prenatal medicine.
This isn't even what YOU believe! And, you are still presenting yourself as an expert on the tragedy of rape.
Abortion doesn't have anything to do with prenatal medicine. You need to do better at tracking your own arguments.
I doubt abortion would even be legal if rape wasn't being used as a constant veil to try to justify the practice.
As noted, rape IS one of the problems with these laws. But, it is not the only one, and others are quite likely more important. Let's remember that every form of contraception (outside of permanent sterilization) has a failure rate. Suggesting that these failures must lead to birth by force of law, even as women have no guaranteed health care and as investigated by well paid mercenaries is just plain ludicrous. >>BUT, this thread is about rape.
Then the law should be changed so women can buy specific health insurance that only covers them in the event they've had a tubal ligation but still get pregnant. That insurance would probably end up being cheaper than the cost of abortion. That is totally a free market answer to this issue. (Remember: It was progressives who wanted to force people to buy health insurance)
Perhaps .. but 2 wrongs do not make a right .. even if it was "as absurd" which it is not.. and I would not argue against a very late term position in any case. .. it is as rediculous from a scientific perspective .. on the other end of the spectrum .. both extremes moronic. from the stand point of "is it a human" .. from a legal perspective .. whole different question .. where the Anti-Abort position is orders of magnitude more absurd .. the onus being on the anti abort side to prove its position .. not the case on the other side.. What is preventing moving to a more realistic position .. say around 22 weeks .. is the Anti Aborts.. the other side goes to the other extreme not wanting to give up ground .. entertain reasonable arguments...
FoxHastings said: ↑ No, there is NO "baby in there"..... so it isn't murder... ( LOL , how dramatic ) but she never waited until it was a BABY... If you are referring to pregnancy there is no "baby" growing
Rape is very traumatising. You cannot accuse her of just sitting around and "wait and wait" as if she ordered a pizza or something. She might not even know she is pregnant, she might be scared of being judged or feel guilty and blame herself for the rape. It is probably not intentional, but you very often make yourself look like a complete and genuine misogynist. And I thought Conservatives were all about traditional gender roles where men should be gentlemen who treat every woman like a lady. Ugh.
There is someone above me in the family tree who was a rape baby. I would not exist otherwise. This is a complicated specific set of facts for me to come down on morally. I am generally a libertarian so I don't really believe i should make people do or don't do anything. Nonetheless, I do believe there should be a cut off where anything beyond that point in the pregnancy, the health of the mother or the baby's lack of viability to have a meaningful life or life at all should be the only two safety valves. Where that is, IDK. Probably three months would be a good number for me (and spare me whatabout stories of women who didn't know they were pregnant until they were in labor).
Tell you what. I'll raise them if I can get enough money to do it. How much will you pledge to donate?
so you want to get paid to do this... do you think the rape victim should get paid to do it too, how much? remember, the rape victim would have to deal with potential health problems from childbirth too, and the medical expenses from that as well as lost income, not to mention single parenthood with a baby she knows came from a rapist whom may get visitation in the future
I fully support people raising children instead of aborting them. Unfortunately I cant afford to support them financially. But I support others who can donating to that cause. I also support the right to access abortion. Though I don't support anyone actually exercising that right because I think its morally wrong. I also will not take action to hinder others from aborting because I value body autonomy. Im a voluntaryist on both sides of the issue.
