FoxHastings said: ↑ ↑ YOU SAID"""That's no life at all. Thank God then that people, certainly in the superior West, CAN exercise their liberty to dictate it and pursue their own happiness! It's great!""" ...banning abortion would mean women could not ""exercise their liberty to dictate it and pursue their own happiness!"" I honestly think that you can't address this: YOU SAID"""That's no life at all. Thank God then that people, certainly in the superior West, CAN exercise their liberty to dictate it and pursue their own happiness! It's great!""" ...banning abortion would mean women could not ""exercise their liberty to dictate it and pursue their own happiness!"" Just as you could never address why you think fetuses due to rape will die horrible deaths.....oh ya, you'll say you did , as usual, but NEVER be able to show proof you did as usual... And, sadly , you still don't know what bodily autonomy is...
WHY WOULD A FETUS DUE TO RAPE HAVE "CERTAIN COMPLICATIONS, BIRTH DEFECTS ETC " ?????????? NEVER ANSWERED
FoxHastings said: ↑ And one of the ways in which people can exercise their liberty to dictate their life and pursue their own happiness, is by choosing to have sex which can likely result in pregnancy. They do....they either gestate or have an abortion....
It wouldn't, but we weren't talking about rape. You just randomly inserted it into the conversation. Apparently you are obsessed with it.
I did address it. I said: "Exercise their liberty to dictate it and pursue their own happiness", by having someone -- usually a MAN -- dig around inside of them! SO MUCH bodily autonomy!" I know that it has nothing to do with someone digging around in your body! Having an abortion is no more exercising bodily autonomy than having heart surgery! Well, the exception would be if the woman was able to somehow perform the abortion on herself. She would certainly be exercising her bodily autonomy in that case, and NO I don't think that should be illegal for her to do.
If abortion was banned? Yes, if ANYONE is "forcing" women to gestate, it would be themselves in over 99% of cases. It has to do with pregnancy and birth. No, an nature would force women to gestate...nothing else. As you can see from my post that I have quoted above, I was talking about personal responsibility in the context of abortion being banned, or what I termed as "a theoretical abortion free world." If those are the only two reasons why someone would get an abortion, then they have never heard of something called: 'adoption.' Which two forces?
FoxHastings said: ↑ WHY WOULD A FETUS DUE TO RAPE HAVE "CERTAIN COMPLICATIONS, BIRTH DEFECTS ETC " ?????????? NEVER ANSWERED NO, I asked you why you would be fine with aborting a fetus due to rape and you said it was because it would have a horrible life and suffer... YOU HAVE NEVER SAID WHY and now , hilariously, you are back pedaling like crazy....LOLOLOLOL>>>
FoxHastings said: ↑ What do you mean by """ For the life to continue in these circumstances is worse than the life NOT continuing.""" ???? WHY do you think a fetus due to rape would have a short painful life???
Ya, we were talking about rape... POST4896: ↑ chris155au : """I have already said that I am open to abortion in these cases."" referring to RAPE cases ↑ FoxHastings: ""Why? chris155au, ""Well, for the simple reason that I don't want the kid to suffer a painful death."" AND YOU: chris155au"""It is based on the principle that human life must be preserved, which itself is based on the right to life."" (Post 4862) FoxHastings: WHY don't those fetuses have a right to life???? So WHY would the fetuses due to rape suffer painful deaths??? UNANSWERED
I don't. Never said it. Your unbelievable confusion continues. I feel quite sorry for you, getting THIS confused.
"WE were talking about rape?" No, WE were not talking about ANYTHING! Post 4896 is my reply to @WillReadmore, NOT YOU! And @WillReadmore was not "referring to RAPE cases" as you say above in blue. You are just so ludicrously confused! Can't you SEE the quote of the person I was replying to? You will see that it IS NOT YOU! My goodness! Even if it WAS you, it wasn't referring to rape!
LOL numerous evasions noted . POST4896 (for all to see ) : ↑ chris155au : """I have already said that I am open to abortion in these cases."" ↑ FoxHastings: ""Why? chris155au, ""Well, for the simple reason that I don't want the kid to suffer a painful death."" So you are FOR CHOICE in abortion...thank you for straightening that out .. but it hardly seemed that way from all your posts... who's confused ???
Yes, post 4896 is there for all to see. Assuming that they have a half functioning brain, ALL will be able to see that post 4896 is my reply to an @WillReadmore post, NOT one of yours! And they will also be able to see that RAPE was not up for discussion! You.
So you are FOR CHOICE in abortion...thank you for straightening that out .. but it hardly seemed that way from all your posts... who's confused ???
Oh I see what you mean. Well sure, I'm not against abortion in literally every circumstance. And neither is anyone who has adopted the mainstream pro-life position. There may be those out there, and I'm pretty sure that I have heard of some actually, who say that abortion should not be provided even to save the woman's life. Well I can very emphatically say that those people are INSANE.
Well, remember that I pointed out that a legislature can not determine whether a case is actually rape or actually NOT rape. So, your glib response that abortion in cases of rape is OK doesn't answer the question. You may be OK with it in that case, but you don't have a way of determining that case.
So what circumstances would you be for abortion? Probably...but they are also hypocrites....either abortion is "murder", (taking an innocent life) or it isn't.......they can't have it both ways because they FEEEEEEEL like it...
You should already know at least one, or two. I mean, come on - you should know me pretty well by now after all these years, or have you really just not taken anything in? Here is a test: in which circumstances do you KNOW that I am okay with abortion? "Taking an innocent life." That's not the definition of "murder" though.
Not in the post in which I replied: "I have already said that I am open to abortion in these cases." @FoxHastings said "post 4896" and then quoted me, but it's actually Post #4866 which that quote comes from. Link to post: http://www.politicalforum.com/index...s-on-abortion.580016/page-195#post-1074223089. I said this in reply to you saying:
Again, a legislature can not draw a bright line between what you would OK and what would be used by some prosecutor as justification for removing a doctor's license to practice medicine in the USA. Doctors have to read what the legislatures write and then stay WAY away from that in order to ensure that a prosecutor can't use the legislation to destroy their careers.
