What does the global repugnance for Trump mean for international relations?

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  1. Pycckia

    Pycckia Well-Known Member

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    Quite so. I am quite willing to turn over global leadership to someone else. As far as I can see "American greatness" has meant little more that the squandering of American blood and treasure in futile foreign adventures.

    (And we didn't need ferriners to send a man to the Moon.)
     
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    Sure thing. turn it over to somebody else and just pray they are allies not adversaries.
     
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    They are all adversaries, potentially. They are all allies, potentially.
     
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    Good thing we dont go by mod rule then huh?
     
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    I think the rest of the world has more to worry about then us. Our size, resources, wealth, and geographical position gives us a massive advantage. There is little that American cannot do or produce on its own. The only reason we go outside the country is it is cheaper. On the other hand many countries do not have that luxury and are at the mercy of stronger economies and armies. Maybe THEY should consider if it would be better for the USA to keep its position or see if Beijing or Moscow are as benevolent. My guess is the the USA for all its flaws is the preferred option. If not, yah buy your ticket you take yer chances.
     
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    Yeah, I mean Canada sure is a potential adversary, especially when it comes to global hockey dominance.

    But I will admit that "American allies" is as much a matter of convenience, money and special interests as it is compatible ideologies.
     
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    Mod rule is no substitute for democracy.
     
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    Libs hate any part of America that stands in their way toward a cenralized planning socislist government

    Beginning with tradational America

    Meaning the Judeo-Christian religion

    Tradational marriage and limits on liberal sexusl habit

    Actually our entire history since Christopher Columbus through the founding of the republic is poison to liberals
     
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    What you are saying is that people who disagree with you are blind because you have the answers and no one else does

    I supprt trump and want him to succeed because of wha5 I see not out of ignorance as you claim
     
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    Same polls that said Hillary would win by a landslide huh?
     
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    I always find it amusing that diehard Trumpbots' lock-step, response to the inconvenient truth that most folks agree that Trump stinks is to bray the same knee-jerk reference to Clinton's lead vanishing just before the election (There were no polls in the last couple of days before the election, of course.)

    The proposition that all public opinion surveys that differ with one's personal preference must be fake or wildly askew because many were once inaccurate
    is a very, very silly one. (The fact is that the final composite degree of error was smaller than in 2012.)

    If you need to proclaim Michael Moore a genius because he correctly had called the 2016 election early and accurately whilst so many right-wing pundits were predicting the P*ssy Grabber's defeat, you can, of course. Reality differs.


    Nevertheless, most folks agree that Trump stinks, and that fact is confirmed overwhelmingly, consistently, and relentlessly in poll after poll after poll.
     
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    It's obvious that you are unable to cite polls that do not confirm that most folks in the US and abroad are consistently in agreement that Trump stinks.


    Do I share in that consensus? Assuredly. Do I also recognize that there exists a fanatical ilk of Trumpery? Of course.
     
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    Your addiction to lib polls is unfortunate

    Try thinking for yourself rather than letting liberal pollsters tell you what to think
     
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    Your repugnance for the public's opinion is understandable.
     
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    Global repugnance? That's strange to me because I like him more now than the day he was elected. His shortcomings aside, I think that he is the most sober minded, American minded, progressive President that we've had in a long time.
     
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    The global order needs to be torn down, not promoted.
     
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    Trump is correct on the issues

    We need to import far less foreign junk and make it here instead

    And we already have more uneducated people in America and do not need to bring in more from central America and asia or africa

    He is also not the foreign interventionist his three predecessors were
     
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    He seems to want to stay in Syria now. Doesnt seem all that promising.
     
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    Throughout our history presidents enter the white house with a carefully thought out domestic agenda but leave with a foreign policy record they never planned for

    I cannot make any sense about syria good or bad

    Its a damn mess that I frankly do not understand

    Except for the Kurds there is no player there that gets my respect
     
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    Syria is a proxy war with Russia. Assad is a bad guy but so is the KSA leadership, as well as the leadership of every US ally in the region bar perhaps Israel depending on your view of that issue. Incredibly naive to think we (the West) is involved for humanitarian reasons.

    It's about geopolitics. Old men playing at running the world, same old.
     
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    No survey has concluded that the repugnance is universal.

    White supremacists and neo-nazis who endorsed the reality tv performer and hail him as their "God Emperor!" and "Glorious Leader!" are quite smitten with him.
     
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    Anarchists thrill at such a prospect.
     
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    WTF does that even mean?

    Slogans and bumper stickers reflect a lack of nuance and knowledge.
     
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    So do liberals.

    Though not neoliberals.
     
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    So do the Trumpublicans.

    The GOP used to believe in free trade and Pax Americana. Now it wallows in chaos and a retreat from America's role in keeping the world stable. Chaos and an America AWOL from global leadership is terrible for business.
     
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