what gun control do you support?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Troianii, Mar 20, 2013.

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what measures do you support?

  1. mandatory gun registration

    37.9%
  2. pistol ban

    10.3%
  3. barrel shrouding ban

    14.9%
  4. pistol grip ban

    9.2%
  5. clip/mag max capacities (please explain)

    28.7%
  6. 3 day waiting period

    43.7%
  7. ban on automatic weapons

    34.5%
  8. ban on semi-automatic weapons

    16.1%
  9. total ban on firearms

    3.4%
  10. other

    54.0%
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  1. Troianii

    Troianii Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You're probably right. In every society there eventually comes a point when it's people are so pathetic that they look to Big Brother to protect them. From themselves.

    No need to keep guns for self-defense? Mind explaining that?
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Waiting period
    Registration
    Background check
    no high capacity clips


    Other than those....a line is crossed which I cannot support.
     
  3. Daggdag

    Daggdag Well-Known Member

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    No, the person wanting the gun permit should pay for it. The state does not pay for a person to get a drivers' license, why would this be any different.
     
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    Troianii Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We have as a society determined that requiring voters to pay the cost of counting votes through a poll tax is wrong, even though the right to vote is not a Constitutional right, yet you think it fine to charge such a use tax on people exercising their Constitutional right? This is a fee mandated by the state to ensurr I'm not a criminal - let the state pay for it.
     
  5. Libertarian ForOur Future

    Libertarian ForOur Future New Member Past Donor

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    Anyone can run a background check? I'm fairly positive that we're, as individuals, not FFL dealers or a criminal justice agency (IE: Local/State police), unable to run a background check against anyone. I say open the NICS system and allow folks to do just that.

    Regardless if it's against the law, open up the NICS system. You can't state me that folks need run a background check against someone and not allow them to do it. Give private individuals access to the NICS system so folks can do it. Before we talk further on how to improve this law, here's some information on it: http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/general-information/fact-sheet.
     
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    There are several private companies that perform criminal background checks. Criminal records are available under the freedom of information act. They are not confidential. And as for mental health background checks, you would need to have the buyer agree to it, but, if a law is passed that says you can not buy a gun, under any circumstances, without one, this would be pretty easy.
     
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    Libertarian ForOur Future New Member Past Donor

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    Allow me to re-phrase my question then...can you, as a non-FFL dealer/local/state official, run a background check against me in the NICS system?
     
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    That's because only a moron would want to. if we banned all guns, we would be dependent on disgusting processes slop for food and we would all be dead within a few years.

    I only want to see select fire assault weapons banned (along with the already banned machine guns/sub-machine guns), and combat style shotguns.
     
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    Would you mind explaining to everyone what a select fire assault weapon is? This should be interesting.
     
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    Again, the NICS system is not required for criminal background checks, so it does not matter.

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    It's a weapon that can be switched between semi and full auto.
     
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    Repeal of the 1938 and 1968 gun control acts. Being sure of your target. Hitting what you aim at. That about covers it.
     
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    So an AR-15 "assault rifle" is just fine with you? Glad to hear it.
    I'm not an expert but full auto anything is considered a machine gun. They are not specifically banned but are highly regulated.
    Aw heck I'll be nice. An AR-15 is not a select fire firearm. I get the impression you've been watching too much MSNBC.
     
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    My "other"

    MANDATORY firing of a firearm that is manufactured OR imported to the US, and the ballistics fingerprint is kept in a natnioally accesable database.
     
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    Weaver stance and lots of practice both tactical and target...
     
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    EggKiller Well-Known Member

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    What fool told you that was feasible? The "fingerprint" of a bore will change with time and wear. That's TV stuff not reality.
     
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    Don't try to play the expert when you are in danger of more qualified people correcting you. In the case of a weapon that is seldom used, as is common of weapons used for crime, the fingerprint of the bore or rifling will almost always remain identifiable for many years. In the case of a target rifle that is used regularly, it is less likely, but still on the side of probable.
     
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    Libertarian ForOur Future New Member Past Donor

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    So if a person passes a criminal background check, you're stating that you are willing to let them obtain a gun? You're completely dodging the point of my question, please allow me to elaborate it out for you.

    If the case is to be made that universal background checks should occur, wouldn't it make more sense to have all information on one centralized database? What if the person was convicted in a crime in a different state and not the one the background checks are being ran on? How can you be sure that all of the information is up to date? If you have a solid NICS system, all of the information, from all of the states, will be in one centralized location. From there, the states can determine how they wish to enforce their particular gun laws. A centralized database, from a system administrator perspective, is A) Lower overall cost than having multiple data silos and B) Easier to maintain.

    So, again, if you wish to state the NICS system isn't required, then I'd say your arguments make no sense. A NICS system is required, it's up to the states to ensure it's updated so everyone can effectively use it properly.
     
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    Should be a law that requires everyone register and buy a fire arm by the age of 18.
     
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    Your qualifications are lacking. I will agree that criminals bores may not see as much wear as most firearms. They're also mostly stolen so tracing them is a waste of time. A Target rifles bore will change within a month enough that you could not distinguish squat. Target rifle bores are honed and produced with enough precision that any database trying to discern between thousands on file would be laughable. Yes they all would have variations brand new, first shot down the tube. By the time a Target shooter has settled on a load those variations will have changed.
    We've already had Joe Biden admit the feds cannot prosecute false statements on 4473. Why would anyone believe they have the capability of creating and maintain a data base for firearm bore forensics? TV is not the answer.
     
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    We have over three hundred million rifles and handguns in this country at a minimum. BATF and the justice department proved wholly inadequate to the task of tracking a few dozen during fast and furious and you somehow think these same dolts could manage to keep track of 300 million, hmmm?

    Hell if the error rate for transferring data was only 1% that is still 3 million guns with erroneous data on file.
     
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    Jarlaxle Banned

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    Absolutely and utterly worthless waste of resources. You could accomplish the same thing by putting the cash in a pile and burning it.
     
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    I will give you one hundred trillion dollars if you can get a ballistic "fingerprint off my S&W Model 29 or my Remington!

    (Rounds from the S&W fragment on impact, as do many high-velocity rounds; the Remington is a shotgun.)
     
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    Since I espouse the US constitution to be as close to an ideal model for a free society as can be had these days, I take my position from it.

    I support no restriction on any kind of firearm. I want the right to arm myself so as to protect myself and my property from crime, foreign invasion, or government oppression. I believe this to be essential to the maintenence of a free society from oppression.
     
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    Uhh yep, darn good points. My favorite is the 204 Ruger cartridge but in a Savage. (on my 5th barrel) My first real store bought rifle (which excludes all the hand me downs)
    Anywhere from 3850- 4750 fps there is nothing left to fingerprint. "But I saw it on the show NCIS"????
    I have 6BR's, 6ppc's, 30BR's and 25 other assorted competition barrels/cartridges to chose from but my first love is the 204R. I've been very busy since 2004.
    First pistol was a SW 29. Took me awhile to get over the flinch from that purchase.
     
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    Without being religious I say AMEN brother!!!
     
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