What is a "black job" ?

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  1. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Weird.

    Did you consider it belittling in 1997 when the Oakland School District recognized it as a 2nd language? Also known as AAVE.

    Is it racist when present day celebrities not only acknowledge it, but claim it's reserved only for blacks?

    Simply because you don't recognize the existence doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

    https://www.vibe.com/news/entertain...ople-speaking-ebonics-gatekeeping-1234859347/
     
  2. Lucifer

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    Weird, indeed. AAVE, doesn't have the word ebonics in the acronym. More importantly, what does ebonics have to do with politics if not for belittling people?
     
  3. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    African American Vernacular English (AAVE) is the variety formerly known as Black English Vernacular or Vernacular Black English among sociolinguists, and commonly called Ebonics outside the academic community.

    https://www.hawaii.edu/satocenter/l... (AAVE,Ebonics outside the academic community.


    It's only weird because it's inconvenient to your argument.
     
  4. Lucifer

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    Might as well use the "n" word, since the people who use it mean it in that way.
     
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    According to Trump they are jobs illegals are taking from black folks.
     
  6. Alwayssa

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    Your joking right? Or are you very serious? The amount of stereotyping about blacks is astounding. This is not the 1950s or even the 1850s. All Americans have the opportunity to better themselves no matter their socioeconomic backgrounds, race, national orgin, sexual orientation, etc. Not a single one. What you guys are saying here is that people like Ben Carson and Clarence Thomas should not be in the professional field they are in but out there working in the fields for you, the white supremacist dog whistle idealogy to put and keep minorities "in their place." Congrats.

    But keep on making this argument. It won't help you with the undecided independents in those swing states. It will rile up your base, and that's it. It may cause up to 10% of your GOP base not to vote for DJT. And if you ddo lose, you will have no one to blame but yourselves.
     
  7. Patricio Da Silva

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    Jobs ultimately arise out of human demand for goods and services and the last time I checked and undocumented person demands good and services just like anybody else the point is each of us collectively create a job for someone else so in theory it's really impossible for anyone to take a job from somebody else
     
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    Or understand the relevant statistics which you obviously do not.
     
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    I think you are using the R word way too often which dilutes the true meaning of what is racism/racist.

    That does not mean people or posters make racist comments, but racism is an attitude and a belief about a particular group of people based on ethnicity, race, or national origin.
     
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    The relevance is he outed himself as a bigot.
     
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    Biden's black jobs.

    FACT SHEET: The Biden-⁠Harris Administration Advances Equity and Opportunity for Black Americans and Communities Across the Country

    Powered a historic economic recovery that created 2.6 million jobs for Black workers—and achieved both the lowest Black unemployment rate on record and the lowest gap between Black and White unemployment on record.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...ericans-and-communities-across-the-country-2/
     
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    The relevance is that those are the statistics. Statistics are statistics they are no racist just because they disagree with your narative.
    But that is a lie,
     
  13. ALightInTheDark

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    Anyone who acts like they don't know what he meant is either being intentionally obtuse or struggles with connecting the dots.

    We all know he was referring to whatever jobs the black have, are being taken just like everyone else's jobs.
     
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    Nope. He stuck his foot in his mouth … again.
     
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    No the liberal media is spinning it again. No one would have blinked if the liberal media didn't blow it up, because we all know what he meant. Liberal media is so immature. My guess is they secretly enjoy poop jokes too.
     
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    This is like all the other **** he’s gotten himself into. We watched it live on TV.
     
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    No, we watched them pull clips out of context so we couldn't tell what he was talking about, then they made comments spinning it, trying to convince the public he was saying something he was not. Thanks to YouTube and other platforms, many are awake now to these tactics and don't trust the liberal media. Thankfully, now we can pull up the full videos easily and plenty of centrist and right wing broadcasters, podcasters and YouTubers can provide content showing videos in full context with more neutral interpretations and commentary.
     
  18. CKW

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    That is stupid. Sorry but it is. And what your post tells me is that Trump cares about raising the black employment rate and it doesn't sound like you do. Typical elitist liberal thinking.
     
  19. Patricio Da Silva

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    CKW, your response is not only a display of intellectual laziness but also an exercise in missing the point entirely.

    First, calling an argument "stupid" without providing any counter-evidence or logical refutation only highlights your inability to engage in meaningful discourse. It’s the rhetorical equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling, "I can’t hear you!" The crux of the matter is that jobs are a product of demand for goods and services. This is Economics 101, something you might want to familiarize yourself with before launching into ad hominem attacks.

    Second, your assertion that Trump cares about raising the black employment rate is laughable. Yes, the black unemployment rate has been on a gradual decline since Obama was in office, but Trump merely rode the wave of this ongoing trend and now has the audacity to claim credit for it. His policies have consistently favored the wealthy, cutting taxes for corporations while doing precious little to address systemic issues facing marginalized communities and by the time Biden took over, the nation was in chaos.

    Lastly, your attempt to brand my argument as "elitist liberal thinking" is a tired and baseless trope. The reality is, recognizing that undocumented individuals contribute to the economy through their demand for goods and services is a straightforward fact, not an ideological stance. Your insistence on viewing everything through a partisan lens only serves to obscure the truth.

    So, before you embarrass yourself further with shallow rebuttals, I suggest you take a moment to educate yourself on basic economic principles and the actual impacts of political policies.
     
  20. Patricio Da Silva

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    That's interesting, it seems we are perpetually having to ask ourselves about what Trump 'really meant.' In an era where a nuclear war could be set off by misunderstanding, it would seem imperative to elect someone who has the capacity to say what he means at least to a degree where we don't have to wonder what he meant. Oh, I'm sure everyone says something that's a bit confusing at times, but with Trump, it's a daily routine.

    The fact that we constantly find ourselves deciphering Trump's comments, trying to separate what he said from what he supposedly meant, is a glaring problem. Leaders must communicate clearly and responsibly, especially when their words can have significant repercussions. Your defense that the media is to blame for blowing things out of proportion is a convenient dodge, avoiding the real issue: Trump's habitual ambiguity and lack of precision in his statements.

    It’s not the media's fault that Trump's comments often come across as insensitive or worse. It’s his own inability to communicate effectively and without causing unnecessary controversy. Blaming the media is an old trick, and it doesn’t hold water. The onus is on Trump to be clear and unambiguous, especially when dealing with sensitive topics that affect millions of people.

    So, before you deflect with accusations about media bias and immature jokes, consider the real problem: a president whose words consistently require interpretation and damage control. That’s not just a media issue; it’s a leadership failure.
     
  21. ALightInTheDark

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    You missed the first part of what I said: no one would have blinked if it weren't for the media. Anyone who acts like they don't know what he meant is either not good at understanding basic speech or intentionally twisting his words.

    I'll admitt he's not a polished politician like all the others. He's a brash New Yorker. It is possible that some may not understand cultural differences such as these, which is unfortunate. It is refreshing at times though, because you know you're seeing the real personality, not some fake puppet robot personality.
     
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    iTake it you didn't figure out why iQuoted your post as racist. Would you care to take a guess?

    Btw, iDo read your posts, iLike them and I've no doubt your error was an innocent one.
     
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    I stand by my assessment that the post was "stupid" because it lacks commonsense and logic. Elitists have a habit of taking commonsense--turning it backwards and call it "intellectual". But if you want to believe that illegals flooding into our country are creating more jobs for low skilled service categories and are not in competition with American Citizens who tend to look for work in those categories----then I will let you believe it. Its not an argument a typical American family would accept because its a ridiculous concept.
     
  24. Alwayssa

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    yes, I understand your post and all the others that you cited as "racist." That being said, you still do not understand what racism is. Not even the Nazis called themselves racist. Oh hell, they called everyone else racist who disagreed with them, among other things.

    Racism, by definition, is not what one says or does not say, it is based on what one does, and the intent of why they are doing it. We use the R-word much too flippently as you have done, which is diminishing what true racism is. It is like the difference between a Texas Rat Snake and a Texas Westernback rattlesnake. Both snakes look similar, but what you are doing is calling all snakes that look like a rattlesnake a rattlesnake. That was my point.
     
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    Writing on public social media is an action. It can be a racist action or the words could enforce racial stereo types or hierarchy by the usage of slurs or pejorative language, intended or not.

    You, innocently used offensive anti black grammar. Are you aware of this?

    Remember, iNever said you were racist.
     
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