What is it about Jew-Hating that the left finds so alluring?

You responded without addressing my point even remotely.

You are saying they dont care about the response and the inevitable bombing, their only thing is territorial expansion and it is worth the hassle. My reply is that the tiny amount of land in no way justifies them having to put up with constant bombing and living in a police state for the better part of the last 70 years and thus their reason MUST be about security and creating a buffer.

Do you honestly think they have went through this much crap for the last 70 years so that they can gain another 20 square miles of territory? To me, that does not make a lick of sense.

How do you respond?

 

Total conquest as Bibi stated "to wipe out all the Arabs"

 

Relatively small?

The west bank is a massive region and the settlers intend to brutally occupy all of it and make Arabs suffer and enjoy it while they're doing it. Shameless.

 

Do you have a credible link to that quote? What was the context if in fact he did say that?

 

Massive? China is massive. The West Bank? not so much. It is a small amount of territory by any definition.

I am trying to get you to truly espouse your reasoning but you seem to keep retreating to well worn slogans.

 

So it is your belief that Israel so badly wants this small amount of land ( yes including water rights), that they are willing to have the need to live in a police state while constantly having their citizens killed.

That does not make sense. That is a damned steep price to pay for a small amount of land. To me, doing so for security purposes is a LOT more logical.

 

A dinner meeting with max Hastings

 

Illegal settlements. You've not even attempted to address this. Why is that?

 

If you can just provide the credible link requested to a quote of this conversation, we will be in business.

As of right now, it is an unsubstantiated claim. Im not saying it didnt occur, im just asking for credible verification that it did and can hopefully glean the context in the process.

 

Because that response did not address what I had just said. There is no use in chasing every tangent before addressing the topic at hand. If you address my topic, I will happily address yours.

I will not however address your statements when you specifically do not address mine. I am trying my best to have a productive conversation and keep this conversation focused.

 

Would Gaza electing a non terrorist type of leader , help Israel work towards peace?? As it stands at the moment....Israel seems to want to occupy Gaza. Don't think that will help the situation. The history there is so drenched in blood , angst, hatred that not sure a peaceful do existence is even possible. (at least not for a foreseeable future.)
this the problem with terrorisms. A military reaction can be overkill and too many innocents die. Not all Gazans are terrorists.
Sometimes a terrorist act creates an excuse t o further other political ambitions.( under the guise of defensive wars)

 

What was your question then, since you refuse to address the settlement issue?

 

Democrats are trending away from solid support for Israel.



https://news.gallup.com/poll/472070/democrats-sympathies-middle-east-shift-palestinians.aspx

 

Freedom of speech allows for both anti-semitic and Islamophobic rhetoric if it is only rhetoric.

Thus, rightist white guys marching while chanting, "JEWS WILL NOT REPLACE US!"

Your insistence that Jewish Americans should align with you incorrectly assumes they do not understand ideological distinctions. They understand only too well.

Rightwing White guys telling Jewish Americans, Black Americans, Hispanic Americans, Asian Americans, women, and better-educated younger Americans that they should all vote like them ignores the ability of all of them to vote in their self-interests.

Conservatives are more likely than liberals to hold anti-Semitic views, survey finds
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... The respondents self-identified on a scale with seven levels ranging from very liberal to very conservative.
Less than 5% of very liberal young adults believe Jews have too much power, versus approximately 35% of very conservative young adults. Similarly, around 9% of very liberal young adults said Jews are more loyal to Israel than to the U.S., as opposed to about 36% of very conservative young adults. In general, the more conservative one was, the more likely they were to hold an anti-Semitic belief.

 

All backed up with links, real events and real (trigger warning for the next word that you will see) FACTS!

 

Pro Hamas Harris Takes Forceful Tone With Israel In Foray Into Mideast Diplomacy



Dimwitted Kamala tried to dictate 'how Israel should fight its war and what the country should do once the fighting is over.'

'“Under no circumstances, will the United States permit the besiegement of Gaza."

Oh, really?

 

More idiocy. They killed as many as they could before the army showed up and killed them. And there is no apartheid in Israel.

 

In West Bank, it is Palestinians who are being killed.

And, yes. Israel wants the land, so committing humanitarian atrocities there is part of what it means to be an Israeli citizen.

If they did it for security, they would steal land with a security purpose, but they started out stealing valleys and agricultural land, water rights, etc. - not the high ground.

 

She's lies more than she is ugly and hateful. From The River To The Sea is a call the Genocide of the Jewish People.

Hamas been clear, they not only want to murder every Jew in Israel, they want to murder every Jew in the entire world. And Hamas has representation in the US House and support in way too much of the Left and on way too many US campuses. Now to be fair, Chuck Schumer has rebuked them on no uncertain terms, but not many joined him.

FLUSHING OUT TERRORISTS: Israel Is Flushing Out Hamas’ Terror Tunnels With Seawater.

'Hamas promised “From the river to sea.” Israel is bringing the sea they wanted right to their front door (and basement).'

Sky news anchor: “Palestinians in Gaza don’t have electricity”

IDF Spokesperson: “They literally filmed Hamas parading the hostages being released on their charged smartphones”

Sky news anchor: “Um, we gotta end this interview”.

 

SOMEONE SHOULD ASK PENN PRESIDENT LIZ MAGILL HOW THEY CAN BE TRYING TO FIRE AMY WAX WHILE TOLERATING OPEN JEW-HATRED ON CAMPUS: Harvard, MIT and Penn Presidents Testify Before Congress About Campus Antisemitism.

'Congress has some oversight role because the schools receive significant federal funding for research and student financial aid.'

 

Students on campuses have rights of free speech. Many believe that haters on various subjects should be allowed to be invited by students, rather than having school administrations decide who gets to speak. So, white nationalists, etc., are often allowed by schools to speak when invited by the students.

I know it can go overboard. But, it's not some trivial decision.

Are they cutting off Trump - or others who hate Palestinians?

 

You're flat wrong.

This from Bing:

Q: Don't socialists collectivize production? Hitler encouraged private business.

A: Yes, you’re correct that one of the key principles of socialism is the collectivization of the means of production, where resources and industries are owned and managed by the community as a whole or the state. This is in contrast to capitalism, where the means of production are privately owned and operated for profit.

Adolf Hitler and the Nazi regime, while using socialist rhetoric in their early years to gain support, did not follow through with the socialist principle of collectivization. Instead, they allowed and even encouraged private enterprise. The Nazis implemented policies that were favorable to private industry, especially those industries that were vital to their military and war efforts. They formed alliances with powerful industrialists and allowed them to profit significantly during the regime’s rule.

The Nazi government did take control of some aspects of the economy, but this was more in line with a command economy for the purposes of rearmament and war preparation rather than a socialist economy aimed at achieving social equality. The regime’s economic policies were geared towards totalitarian control, autarky (economic self-sufficiency), and extensive rearmament, rather than the socialist goal of worker control over production.

In summary, while the Nazi Party included “socialist” in its name and initially used socialist-sounding language to attract followers, its actions and policies were not socialist. The regime’s economic practices, particularly its support for private businesses and its focus on military buildup, were antithetical to the core tenets of socialism.​

Folks on the far right in the U.S. don't like to think about the extremists in their ranks.

 

Well, if they're fine with calling for genocide of Jews, by your logic they should be fine with demonstrations calling for the genocide of University Administors, too?

 

Leave Palestine, create definable borders and make Jerusalem an independent state.
Hamas can no longer call themselves freedom fighters if you do and if they then attack Israel then the entire world will participate in their destruction.

 

Palestine IS an independent state.

It's a member of the UN. It is officially recognized by 139 of the 193 UN member countries.

Israel has been at constant war with Gaza for decades. We hear about it when they fight back.

As for West Bank, the US helps Israel bulldoze the homes and orchards of Palestinians because they want to steal the land from those living there for a thousand years.

I don't know why we support that atrocity. It doesn't conform to ANYTHING that the US claims to stand for.

We even have CHRISTIANS who want to bulldoze the homes of Palestinians farming in West Bank!! Where does THAT level of hate come from?