What is "Truth"?

When it comes to religion, truth is belief and visa versa.

 

Can you show me that notion stipulated in scripture?

 

Okay. Have fun.

 

Thank you. Now back, once again, to the topic of this thread. What is truth?

 

That which is bound to nature (god itself).

If you dont find 'god' (nature) being your 'everything' you be a theist adherant.

Which means a subjective mind to ................. (hint, it aint 'truth')

'Truth' you feel, down to your toes. You dont even have to have ever read the bible and feel truth.

That incorporeal make believe stuff has bunches of wisdom and lessons, as many stories do. I rather enjoyed Frankestein, Jurasic Park, ET and Mary Poppins as well.

This inquiry on What is Truth?; is not about what people want to believe. Truth is about what is real. To know truth, you can live in 'is real'.

GETTIN' THE POINT?

To any really paying attention, i want any and all to see why such destruction; it's these people!!!! they do it to themselves!!!!

 

Prove that nature is 'god'.

Nature is not my 'god' therefore I guess I am a "theist adherent".

Show me a mind that is not subjective. Since you consider mind (subjectivity) as being "aint truth", then that would mean that all processes that occur in your mind 'aint truth'.

Now you are suggesting that 'truth' can be felt "down to your toes" which means that you are calling your feelings 'truth', but because 'feelings' are a part of the subjective mind, then those feelings 'aint truth'.

Yeppir all that incorporeal stuff,,, stuff that goes on in the mind is sure 'make believe'. Just like all the incorporeal stuff in your mind.

And truly, you have exercised to believe that truth is feelings, truth is nature, nature is god, god is EM, god is light, is there anything that I have missed from your portfolio?

Yes! You are confused on those subject matters.

What destruction has taken place as a result of this thread? Be honest now.

 

an evolving mind

if you hold the theology as the subjective point of view for your own lives understanding, then most all of your thinking will be based on error of logic.

I pointed out the single unifier is the 'life' of what you are in process to live. ie... between all life, in all the universe, an innert intent to live exist as a natural instinct kind of forward progress. kind of like a fire or a critter seeking sustanance. You and I want to live, naturally speaking! If you grind all choice to the scope of life, then nature (god) has a unifier or intent to evolve which i find tied to the golden ratio and philosophically speaking the golden rule, which to comprehend is actually opposite in the short term of the golden ratio in a progression. That may be too deep for you. But an instinctive life will take control to live; its purpose to continue.

Now you and I can choose. We can give by choice for life to live. So technically, giving of self for life to live longer by our cause. "WE ' can choose and create, enable and further life, by our choice and by contributing our energy we technically can live longer in them gift to existence.

The 'truth' is bound to nature (god) and we live in his garden, capable.

The awaiting was to comprehend the 'facts of life'. "We" are it (him/her; nature itself) comprehending itself. We are his children, living in HIM, with HIM, a part of HIM; we eat his body and with him live to the ever lasting, knowing him, as his begotton.

Nothing to fib about. LOOK around, you are in his existence!

All of it. And anything not by HIM, mankind created it by the 'words' mankind created. We are 'eating from the tree of knowledge'. To use it in selfishness, is the error (see the big cities and what mankind has done 'to god')

But contributing to the tree, knowledge evolves. "We' are defining HIM and creating with the use of 'words'.

All that theology has many miraculous ideas but the one that most do not comprehend is 'entanglement'. No matter the time and space, we are all a part of that single whole. In light (em), time can be transcended and 'we' of conscious do have 'visions'. Are many stories metaphors? Yes. Visions? Yes.

ie... we are all a part of 'nature' (god itself)

 

light is just one of the three; mass, energy, time.

You know that 'trinity' thing you like to suggest?

The mass (elements), energy (light/em) and time are all three a part of each other. You dont breath, eat, sleep, exist; without them three.

That is nature! (god)

no confusion; fact!

the character of your posts

 

Oh really. What will be it newly evolved form? Don't know? Then it looks to me like that mind is still subjective.

Is there any form of logic that does not suffer the effects of 'error'. Case in point... Einstein and the changes that had to be made to his theory. He and his logic were in error. Another case in point... Newton... again was found to be in error. So what point are you attempting to make? That you and the form of logic that you use is also subject to error? I'm satisfied in knowing that you and your chosen form of logic is subject to error.

Ironically, that is the only pragmatic absolute in life: "We will all live until we die." So what other wisdom do you have that you would like to put on display?

"grind all choice"? Take a 'choice' which is a subjective venture and grind it (which is a physical action). Please demonstrate how that is accomplished.

No kidding? Are you serious? Did you figure that out all by yourself?

Nice thought, but it cannot be proven. For once the body has died then all opportunity to give to the cause of self sustaining life is lost. It can then be said that the person obviously did not contribute enough to enable him to be self sustaining,,, much less did he contribute to the sustaining of all other life, because in the next instant of time, another body has perished. I can see it now, on your tombstone will be the words "I contributed, but not enough to keep me alive."

Personally, I believe it to be the other way around... Nature is bound to truth, and truth is bound by the laws of God. In that order. And; no! I am not saying that nature or truth are God. They are both merely attributes of God.

Who is this "HIM" that you refer to?

"his existence".. who is this "his"?

Now you are saying that 'god' is the big cities?

The created cannot create the creator. Is an airplane capable of creating a man?

And when will any of us be able to step onto that time machine of yours and go back in time and change things to the manner in which we desire them to have been? Anytime soon?

Such profound words... but still no proof that "nature" is "god".

 

the previous generations knowledge

A religious wingnut is an example of idiots that dont want to learn. what is funny, is to see them go to the doctor or even sit on the internet, using the 'evolved' knowledge to communicate and even be healed from the illnesses, their religion cannot assist with.

the case in point; knowledge evolves.

And will make wingnuts, obsolete!

That each can live beyond the grave.

Your religion cant!

underwriting truth to what is real; nature

Use Darwin as an example: HIS works are still ALIVE within mankind.

It is why 'jesus' still lives too. He apparently was honest:

Matt 16: 20 Then did he charge his disciples that they may say to no one that he is Jesus the Christ


The liars are who perish!!!!!

ie.... do you know who screwed up the bible and them stories?

can you tell us which law, 'gravity' is bound too?

Can you tell us, when 'god' wrote the 1st and 2nd law of thermodynamics?

Can you tell us, when 'god' told nature to hide dinosaur bones, so that people can have a job but that evolution is incorrect?

Nature is 'god' ITSELF.

ie.... from mankind, the dinosaurs, mars, new york, the stars, the milky way, and even the grave you will lay in..................... all are within the body of 'nature' (god itself); your creator!


You know it NOW, but just cant accept that what your reading is truly what is real.


The incorporeal beliefs are the manmade creations.

 

Are you suggesting that you or anyone else living today has such an evolved mind that they have inherited and or retained ALL of the previous generations knowledge (including ALL the experiences of that previous generation)? No? Then it looks like your premise is a failure at this point in time and until such time as the premise has been actualized, then the mind remains something that is simply subjective.

Resorting to name calling? Who specifically are you referring to when you make reference to "wingnut"... that is a member of the group that you refer to as "idiots"? Surely you had some specific person in mind when you wrote that statement.

Of course knowledge evolves. No-one has argued that it does not.

Speculation at best, as those "wingnuts" are not clearly defined. If you are referring to that fastening device also called a 'wingnut', I can see where potentially a more functional fastening device could be fabricated to take the place of the 'wingnut', but for the time being, the 'wingnut' is functional for the application(s) that it serves.

Each what "can live beyond the grave"?

My religion "can't" what?

Incomplete sentences are a no no in any type of communication unless you are intentionally being obtuse.

More like on life support.

"It" refers to what that is the "why Jesus still lives too." Oh... by the way... thanks for that admission that Jesus still lives.

Nice quotation. What is it in reference to?

Who, specifically are "those liars"?

Prove that the Bible is "screwed up".

Gravity is bound to Gods Laws.

Thermodynamics is a design function created by man.

Can you show me where, if ever God did such a thing? You are truly fantasizing now.

Prove your claim. You have submitted nothing to support that claim ... just your unsubstantiated opinions. Opinions don't count as evidence... evidence has to be objective empirical evidence. Show me something out there in the temporal world which has the clear marking of 'God' and is naturally found in the environment.

They are all within nature, but that does not prove that nature is God. Nature did not create 'me'. God created 'me'. That clearly shows that you do not and conceivably cannot even recognize who "me" "I" am.

What I am reading is words on the screen of a computer. They are only real to the sense of vision and are interpreted through the action of mind. Real...? That is questionable.

No! If the creations of man are manifested in reality, then they are not incorporeal. Now if you are considering that the word "creations" is a product of mind, then I can agree with you. Such was the case with God at Genesis 1: 1-3. Then at verse 4 God took what was created (mind actions) and caused them to be manifest in the temporal.

 

Your own OP reads: "Therefore, from a perspective of those people on the forum who consider themselves to be 'religious' (believers in a Supreme Being, Creator of all that was created ... IE... Theists); What is the religious meaning of the word 'truth'?"


You have misquoted yourself.

 

That is not what you set forth in your OP and I believe what I wrote is very clear.

 

In other words, what you said is just an opinion and not a stated FACT. OK.

 

Belief is the acceptance by the mind that something is true or real. Therefore, with regard to religion, truth can be defined as belief. That is a fact.

 

That is strange, as the scientific community as well as the Jurisprudential community will argue that point with you. See my signature line for proof regarding the Jurisprudential aspect.

Now, that you are stating that 'truth' is merely a 'belief' and that 'belief' is merely an acceptance by the mind that something is true or real, prove your claim.

 

I was quoting you a definition of belief. You can find it in your dictionary. Besides the OP makes no mention of science or the 'Jurisprudential community' do you want to change the subject now?

 

By all means no! I offered you the opportunity to stipulate that yours was merely an opinion and not based on any fact. Your response to that offer was a very deliberate statement of FACT. As an alleged FACT, it is now your responsibility to PROVE that FACT. It is true that the OP was looking for opinions... The OP likewise did not ask for any FACT.. So prove your alleged FACT.

 

I already did...twice now.

 

You have not shown PROOF of anything. You have only expressed the opinion of those people who write definitions. Definitions are not a PROOF relating to the mind or 'truth' or 'belief'. Prove a 'belief' that is relating to something intangible.

 

This kibitzing without substance is again what I was referring to....

 

A truth is a verifiable fact. But, when it's capitalized, the Truth, it's a con game by those who claim to have the Truth and who will pass it on...for a price.

 

Not always. It can be, but believe it or not--there is such a thing as sincere faith.

 

I understand that and don't question it but it isn't truth. That sincere faith is usually exploited by those with the Truth.

 

you read bible and believe that is the last word.

ie... you are contradicting yourself

for example; old test, to new test......... summaries of the previous generations beliefs, then you subject your opinion to both in a summary, that jesus is god.....

when you know he is not, based on today's comprehension!