What Russia's deadliest nuclear sub could do to the US

You need to go re-learn your history. America won every military engagement in Vietnam, we lost the political war

 

Tell me who its written by and I'll let you know.

 

And how many American subs have been successful tracked? None.

 

You keep churning up the same old disinformation. Why not read my words and respond to them in an intelligent manner, refuting (on fact and logic) where you think I am wrong. But just repeating the same old crapolia from American government propaganda will only bore me and teach you nothing.

 

Hitler won most of the battles but he lost the war. The key .... lost the war. The Vietnamese lost most of the battles but they won the war. The U.S. lost the war. Do you see the difference?

 

I am sure I read recently that the Russians did track an American submarine at rather close quarters and the Americans had no idea the Russian sub was in the vicinity. Is that not correct?

 

You think my nationality is the A to Z of knowledge and wisdom? Well, I am very sorry to upset your apple cart but i lived in the U.S. during the 1960's and I was a volunteer (RA) for 3 years in the American Army, serving in the Central Highlands of Vietnam 1966 - 1967. But you know, I'm not an Ameican citizen so I had to fight with my eyes closed and ears stuffed with cotton. What do I know about my experience, right?

 

I am in total agreement with you. When I have a Russan sympathizer screaming at me here (figuratively) I need to ask that same thing. Why are trolls for foreign adversaries even in this forum?

 

What is "close quarters" 1000yrds? This is the only thing that came up https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018...ip-located-and-tracked-us-stealth-nuclear-sub

ANd if you read it, it says can't be varied, and that the claims are coming from The Russian military. So no you didn't read that

 

The russkis suffer from ....inferiority complex....on here, it's rather evident in their speech/messages. They have a special loathing for the US.....they use to think they were on equal footing to the US....now theyre relegated to 3rd world monkeys sanctuary, and run by a 2 bit kleptocrat!)

 

What will you accept as a source?

And once again, your profile lists you as living in Sweden. How exactly then did you serve in the Central Highlands of Vietnam as you claimed?

 

Obviously nothing if you thought a self propelled howitzer was a tank just because it had treads and a gun. Though perhaps you are an American as American media types often make that same mistake.

 

You could be right. I don't know much about submarines or naval anything and I probably did read it in RT. I find that RT gives a broader perspective on most things but about Russia it tends to be just a little bit too much.

 

I enjoy enlightened honest discussion. I smell a poster begging to be reported.I won't . Others will do so.

What you said to me does not dignify my engaging more. You have in essence called the Vietnamese people I Know liars.

 

I am having this point discussed with someone else. If you insist on joining in at least be sensible.

Yes. And?

Are you suggesting that I am lying about living in and being Swedish?

Do you know what absurd conclusion is? This sentence of yours is exactly that, an absurd conclusion. Let me know if you have any other questions or need help clarifying the definition.

Ps. This thread is about Russia, not about Vietnam. I didn't introduce Vietnam into this thread nor do I particularly like talking about it. But I am a Vietnam Veteran and when I see BS misinformation, disinformation, propaganda, and lies about it, I will speak up no matter what thread it is.

 

Given you are freely spreading "BS misinformation, disinformation, propaganda, and lies" then you should be an expert.

I just have difficulty understanding the circumstances that led a Swede to

1) Come to the United States.
2) Join the U.S. regular army.
3) Serve in a war he did not agree with.
4) Then run back to Sweden.

 

Do you have a legitimate basis other than personal butthurt?

What? If the fire is too hot don't stand so close to the flames. Bring your Vietnamese friends to this discussion and I will bet you my next pension check they will not be offended by anything I have to say. Is it a deal?

 

Your counting self propelled howitzers as tanks (something you brought up) is as ignorant as the Russian troll who started this idiotic thread that pumped up the capabilities of ONE Russian submarine that is only two thirds of the capabilities of the first Ohio class submarine.

Introduced in 1981.

 

You are basing this on ..... what? The brainwash you have endured?

My parents.

Why is that difficult for you to understand?

"did not"? How would you make that connection? Once again .... an absurd conclusion.

"run"? Have you never heard of "aeroplanes"? They look like this:

 

You are only wasting my time now.

 

You've wasted the years of experience you claim to have had in Vietnam.

 

I don't think any reasonable person reading your posts in this thread would reach any conclusion but that you did not support the U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War.

Not to mention all the BS you're spouting (which is pure propaganda) about American defense contractors promoting the war in Vietnam.

If you knew anything about modern (post World War Two) military procurement you would know that an actual war is the last thing military contractors support. A war means defense spending goes to operations which are not very profitable instead of new weapons procurement which is where the money is.

The Vietnam War set back procurement, recapitalization and modernization of the entire U.S. military for more than a decade.

 

Look, I do not have a thin skin. However that may be, It does not hint that I must submit to you and operate as were you my teacher. While i do not quibble you went to Vietnam, I have not only studied this, but out of the Army I followed it closely when it was happening. It was later that I got to know former Vietnamese officers who filled me in also on what each side was up to and thinking of. My former commanding officer also went to Vietnam to serve and we too chatted about this for a time. You are an abrasive type personality. Fine for you and those talking to you. I do not need that kind of nonsense.

You insist there was no north and south Vietnam. History is not supporting your version. Diem had more rights to lead Vietnam than did Ho Chi Minh. You sound to me like you sympathized with the communists.

 

I agree with you that he talks like he mourns the demise of the communists killed under Minh. And i personally dislike his abrasive persona. It has taken decades and major changes of the communists for the people of Vietnam to be allowed some freedom. A buddy of mine, a guy I once hired to work for me married a young Vietnamese woman whom I know and enjoy talking to her. She really is too young to recall the war. She has told me how it is today. When I was appraising, one of my customers was from Vietnam and was an officer in their Army. We also chatted on what happened there. Besides that I have a good library that includes excellent books on what took place. A neighbor went to vietnam in the fight as an Army Officer. We did not really chat about the war but it sure kept reminding me our young men got sent there and got injured and died. I talked to a freshly out of service Army Captain who told me how he commanded in Vietnam. If you will only let them talk, they might tell you their story. it helped that I had served in the Army too.


As to contractors, I had worked for Raymond International who constructed a major air force base in South Vietnam so had a smattering of idea what they were doing. If a contractor is qualified, they could do work there so long as they could deal with slow paying government. Naturally they did not go there to lose money. It was a risky job there.

General DePuy who had commanded my Army unit when in Germany really worked hard to change Army strategic and tactics used in combat to make winning easier. He served in Vietnam and knew what was happening and there he was a Lt.General.

 

Can't you tell by now? He believes he is our superior. He believes we did not live then and have actual military experience of our own. He thinks a tank is the same as a self propelled howitzer. As lightly armored as it is, to him it operates in the same role as a tank.