What's the criteria for getting into Heaven?

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  1. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Grace means 'gift'. It's the gift God gives to us when we ask. Asking is important because it's a recognition of the Omnipresence of our Creator, and our own limitations as humans.
    Animals do go to heaven, but their heaven is similar to their life on earth. They are unable to achieve a higher existence.

    So what about bad dogs?

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    Forget about heaven, it's hell for you.

     
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    Excellent question. 10 years ago I would have said we cannot kill everything on the planet- including ourselves. Even in a nuclear oblivion, there would always be enough of us and other life left to start over and try again. However, our advancements in genetics, biotech and nanotech I believe do represent an existencial threat to our very existence...
     
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    No scarier than Orange Jesus having nuke codes. Actually less scary because god doesn't exist (or he's giving us a very long silent treatment).
     
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    Because I'm an optimist XD

    I think we'll eventually stop so easily being led around by our emotions, and the elites tactics of ruling us by keeping us fighting eachother will no longer be effective. Its either that or we'll devolve into a global, endless technocratic neofeudalism and be totally enslaved until they decide everyone just needs to die ...which they will, because thats the innevitable conclusion of evil.
     
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    So are bunch of other people. Are you seeing your vision is really a wish?
     
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    I don't see the alternative. We either keep trying, or we submit to the controllers and trust that they arent the same malevolent forces causing all the problems of division and chaos with the intent of getting us to submit to them.
     
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    It's a spiritual existence not our carnal 3 dimensional one and if one is not prepared for it, and knows only this life's desires and aspirations when they die, then they have created their own hell in the afterlife. God did not do it to them. Actually He suffered everything imaginable to save them from themselves.
     
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    That's kinda my point. Are we "trying"? We can't even get half the members here to stop being hateful and combative and these are the people that are going to suddenly see the light that fighting doesn't help? Now multiply that by a few billion.
     
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    But there's that word "eventually" ...
    doesn't seem to be an end in sight.
    People aren't getting along any better...nobody trusts anyone anymore.
     
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    Historically, it takes a society to completely collapse and rebuild. We appreciated each other more during those times because we were fighting toward the same goal - and each person played a part. The "collective" future was the promise they wanted to hand down to their children.
     
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    You really expect people to believe that an omnipotent God could/would suffer...
    why would he do such a thing?
    To make humans feel guilty?
    Lol....didn't work..what a silly God you have made.
     
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    I'm trying. Are you?

    What more would you suggest?
     
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    Its true, you can't have heaven on earth right now... Do you have a suggestion to make?
     
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    MJ made some good points IMO....

    But what is preventing us from getting along....working together...toward a common goal
    What exactly is it that needs "to completely collapse and rebuild"?
    If it requires a collapse of society to bring about change.....
    then we may be running out of chances.
    IMO handing down a "collective" future is a worthwhile goal....
    so then what exactly is it that keeps throwing them so far off course.
     
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    Collectivization requires management, and positions of management almost exclusively (exceptions are very rare) attract only those who seek to abuse their power and authority for their own gain at the enforced sacrifice of others, which causes the collective to fail.
     
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    That makes perfect sense IMO...
    but even if we were able to find such an unselfish leader,
    wouldn't he be assassinated soon after
     
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    You gave me a good laugh. Actually sacrifice is expected of a God that consists solely of LOVE. The same love force that connects you to everyone and everything. Imagine a world without it?
     
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    yup
     
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    Anyone that truly understands what LOVE is....
    knows for a fact that giving it is not a sacrifice at all....
    It is in fact the highest privilege....
    you must have one of them selfish Gods.
     
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    Thanks for the great questions. I'm working on a response to this. It will probably be tomorrow when I can fully answer it. I'm exhausted at the moment.
     
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    Then giving one's life to save others is a privilege and not a sacrifice? Bravo! Spoken like a true saint. I bow to your enlightened response. :worship:
     
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    NO WAY - that is not what Dog Heaven is like ... At All .. These are just souls at a much lower level of evolution - you once were in the dog stage .. or similar - now that you are evolved a little higher - you think your so much better than these poor souls in the mutt stage .. for shame ..

    Not sure about the whole "Hell" picture painted in the Modern Chrisitians Head is accurate - or healthy.. and do pardon the pun on the word "Hell -thy" :)
     
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    odd rules I know

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    Church caught teaching children about repenting on Halloween

    "Parents outraged after booklets depicting rape, drugs and guns given to Colonial Heights trick-or-treaters"

    https://www.wric.com/news/parents-o...olonial-heights-trick-or-treaters/1058527949/

    "COLONIAL HEIGHTS, Va. (WRIC) – Parents in Colonial Heights were outraged after finding graphic materials in their children’s Halloween bags, only to learn the disturbing booklets came from a church."
     
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    Nope!

    I use it to express how much the asinine content of the posts amuses me.
     

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