What's the criteria for getting into Heaven?

Ah, the problems of life after death. How can you really call it life anyway?

Animals are already in heaven, they are God's innocents. Like the Angels they literally cannot do wrong.

"Life is a plain you walk across. Death is nothing but a fence" Old Amerind saying

 

It takes more than that. Possibly several millennia of suffering in Purgatory.

 

Thank you.

Psychologically, it's just easier to only have to worry about yourself. The kind of social construction needed to get us to the place of considering those around us has to start with a total make-over of what "success" looks like.

I read a quote somewhere and it really stuck with me. It was something like "A person may not TELL you what they think of you, but they will always SHOW you." Think about that as a backdrop of the society we live in. Our society is a reflection of those things we "value". And, if we're honest with ourselves, our values are pretty low.

Let's take Trump for example. People don't really care that he cheated on all his wives and had sex with a hooker, dodged the military, left creditors in the dust, cheated on his taxes, almost brought the country to its knees with his nonsense on Jan. 6th, 2021. They only see "he's rich and has a beautiful wife" (it's embarrassing to me to have had a lesbian soft porn "actress" nude model identified as First Lady).

The foundation of our society. As long as we, the people, overlook the vast abuse of power we are going to remain "stuck" in a system of "the haves and have nots" and those of us on the "have nots" side will never be able to convince the "haves" that something needs to change.

I don't know if this means civil war or not but the current trajectory doesn't look promising.

Correct.

The "haves".

 

Lucifer, aka Satan, was god's highest ranking angel.

 

What gets me is that the entirety of Gods work and glory, all that he has said and done is for the immortality and eternal life of man. Who does such a thing? It is the ultimate parenting. Can some seemingly superstitious, strange, foreign concept such as God and salvation be an actual reality. If so, how has it happened, this great divide. We are born, we grow, and find ourselves where we currently abide. We are strong, educated, opinionated, endowed with consciences and free agency, as if salvation were a ploy or a distraction. And yet we will and do all perish as if life were a dream. And our grasps then not so strong nor our might to lay claim upon forever. So just maybe immortality and eternal life is a concept worthy of investigation. And could it be that there really is a perfect Father who blesses us all the days of our lives in spite of our unworthiness, our shortcomings, our lack of regard, and our supreme self centeredness. Over and over again, without end. Shall one not find rest upon Gods patience and query the purpose and marvel at it all? I myself can't say enough good about God. I know he is real and that he lives.

 

Wow man! All valid observations IMO.
I think your idea below might work...

From what I've seen...the biggest obstacle is getting people to listen...to anything...
that differs from their own preferences. Unless something effects them personally
they don't give it a second thought. Over-riding their "programming" seems
to me the only way to initiate change...but without something catastrophic
I don't see how it will happen

 

There is an expression that those who have nothing have nothing to lose.

Look at the French revolution, the Russian revolution and the Arab Spring.

All of them occurred because the peasants had nothing to lose by rising up against their overlords.

Millennials are burdened with massive debt and are only being offered low paying jobs that will prevent them from ever acquiring any significant wealth even after they have paid off those debts. Note that they are INHERITING the National Debt as yet another BURDEN that will enslave them.

Millennials have the internet and therefore the ability to organize and institute change. They have already started with the Progressives being the DECIDING votes in 2018 and 2020. They have been STYMIED by the ESTABLISHMENT owned politicians currently in power so they are going to start using Primaries as the way to GAIN the political power they need to make these changes happen.

What we are witnessing is the beginning of a revolution in political ideology. Bernie Sanders ignited that revolution in 2016 and it will probably take 2 decades for all of the changes to come into effect but it is preferable to the alternative we witnessed on 1/6/21.

 

Republicans offered up Mitt Romney, a successful businessman, fair and moderate, former missionary, Bishop and leader in his church, who gives fifteen percent of all that he has ever earned to charity. There hasn't been a more moral, honest, straight laced American to ever walk the candidate stage. The left rejected him. So who are the "haves" and "have nots", and what have they or not?

 

That ONLY applies to Republicans.

Carter was a far more moral, honest, straight laced American than Mittless could ever aspire to be.

 

A few months ago another member posted a comment basically saying that "the uneducated" shouldn't be allowed to vote. I asked him what that meant and he said that people only vote Democrat because they aren't intellectual enough to see why that's bad. I thought it was a ridiculous idea (I would feel that way if the parties were reversed in that situation) because it creates an "us v. them" mentality which is already running rampant.

So, the issue isn't really that a nuclear level catastrophe is needed. We just need to stop the knee-jerk reaction that labels "them" as "bad". We all feel that our position on <whatever> topic is right but we don't stop to recognize another person's opinion on that topic is "right" to them. This is why it bothers me when people label the other side as stupid, ignorant, evil, etc. They aren't. They just have a different outlook.

Ask yourself..."What can I do to facilitate open and honest communication with someone who holds different political beliefs than I do?"

Figure that out and do it.

P.S. In high school our History teacher had a rule that he would never talk to students on the day he returned test scores. He said that he did this because it's impossible to get things resolved when emotions are running high. The overnight would give unhappy students a chance to calm down before talking about their test scores.

I am generally a calm person and I do get annoyed with some people but I always stop and give myself a "cooling off period." In fact, I keep Notepad open on my desktop and I type out my "high emotion" thoughts to posts here, go back and reread it and delete. So, by the time I'm ready to post, all of that useless chatter is edited out and I can reply calmly and hopefully effectively.

 

The "haves" haven't got a clue what the "have nots" are talking about....
and/or....they could care less.
Hence the "haves" like status quo and want everything to remain exactly the same....
which translates into....anything in their favor and/or keeps them in power....
They see things like EPA regulations, BLM and gun control as cramping their style...
annoyances inflicted on them by by evil, unpatriotic, Godless heathens....

 

But is it only...the knee-jerk reaction that labels "them" as "bad" that is causing the problem?
What about indifference...complacency...some don't even get as far as labeling anyone...
easier to just ignore anyone who disagrees with your view...hence things remain as they are.
You got everything you want...who cares what happens to anyone else.

 

No, but that's the starting point.

Which also means they won't pose any threat to a new movement.

It doesn't matter. We find the people that agree with our views and build from there.

Some do feel that way, but some don't. The latter will be the ones on board with creating a different plan of action.

 

I have seen this possibility brought up before, and quite honestly, it seems more in line with the idea of an all loving God. After all the purpose of punishment is to teach a lesson. What point is there to punishment if the learned lesson cannot be applied? We don't ground our children for life, so why would our Parent punish us for eternity?

But is the system broken, given the shows context? After all, that one guy got out, and went to heaven. Who is to say that others have not or can not? After all, Lucifer was unaware the one guy made it out. It seems to me, that if one has sins, then if they can't actually cleans them in life (part of accepting the Christ's forgiveness is the ability to forgive yourself). Then being.able.to.work through them in the afterlife would have to suffice.

 

Isn't that what has always been done? Don't "religions", political parties, even countries
all begin that way..."strength in numbers"...and then later on...."majority rules".
"The more things change...the more they stay the same."

Many "movements" have come and gone....but humans are still prone to destruction...
that has not changed...only the weapons have evolved.

I don't disagree with your ideas....just looking for possible obstacles ahead.

 

Maybe they just trust in Republicans less.

 

So then what exactly might our purpose be?
No need to post an NDE link....
your own personal opinion will do just fine.

 

What's the alternative? Colonize another planet so we can screw that one up too?

This mess didn't happen overnight and it's not going to get fixed overnight. That doesn't mean we should just throw up our hands and walk away. And, if it's really going to hell in a handbasket, what is there to lose by trying?

True. I have never understood why people are so prone to destruction. It just seems counterintuitive to me. We are starting war to bring peace? Makes no sense.

There will be plenty. It's in the "haves" best interest for, we, the people, to not rise up. They'll throw everything they can to fight against it.

 

That is true...but we've about used up our chances...to fix it...
not sure the environment will be able to sustain itself much longer.
I agree that there may be nothing "to lose by trying".
But trying the same old things over..that have never truly fixed anything...
and instead just produced more of the same...
probably wont help much.
Perhaps the true cause of the destruction has not been focused on yet.
Must be difficult to treat an illness...if you don't really know what it is.

 

Lol...I can't help wondering if this is the first planet we have screwed up.....
or the last of many. Perhaps Mars was our former home.

 

There are thousands of assorted Gods, each with its own unique name and attributes. There is about a half dozen God characters in the Bible, each with a different name. And the word God is just a title, it is not a name. BTW, the Jesus name is an alias and didn't exist until around 1630 AD. They decided that they had to rename the character to make him more appealing to the new herd of potential believers. They also gave all of the main characters new names around that time.

 

What happens to a cow or to a chicken after it's dead? Someone cuts it up and cooks and eat it.

 

I wonder what happened to the Martian spaceports? The ruins should still be visible.

 

Do you think that's an appropriate response to my post? We both know (or should know) I was referring to "the soul" post-physical death unless you went totally rogue and have some kind of thing with cannibalism.

 

Didn't the Jesus character say that people need to eat his flesh and drink his blood if they want eternal life? That sounds cannibalistic to me. When the crowd heard him say that they told him to get lost.