When The Russian Hoax Is Exposed, Should The Democrats Be Held Accountable?

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  1. Margot2

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    Marxist Democrats? What does that mean exactly?
     
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    Oh you came back for more looking to play Mope. Now using a lame excuse. Just like I knew you would. I left you no out. Even the MS media took pictures. So that includes your kind. The easily tricked.



    Sergey I. Kislyak, the Russian ambassador to the United States, arrived at President Trump’s address to Congress this week. Credit Brendan Smialowski/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images


    Sergey Kislyak, Russian Envoy, Cultivated Powerful Network in U.S......

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/02/world/europe/sergey-kislyak-russian-ambassador.html?_r=0


    Naturally your kind came up with different headlines. Other than the Russian Ambassador sat with the Demos attending Trumps Speech.

    You now can wipe that egg off of your face. As with this issue. There is no you saving face. Now lets see your next lame excuse. Please do come back for more.

    Thanks for validating just how stupid you were, thinking you had some out.
     
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    How do you know the information from the Russian ambassador is not meant to fool with us? The Russians feed our politicians and media false information all the time is what the allegation is. If they don't do so then how did they interfere in our election?
     
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    What's to spin?

    If there is no collusion, as you yourself suggest, this whole business is a waste of time and a stupid Democrat ploy which is liable to backfire.
     
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    UH! NO!
    Several of the communications you refer to were BETWEEN RUSSIANS! They didn't involve anything other than Russians discussing the Trump campaign.
    It is *not* deceitful for the transition team of a President-elect to have secret communications with officials in other nations. Why do you think Kushner was investigating the possibility of a secure back-channel to Russia? TO STOP ALL THE DAMN LEAKS FROM OBAMA HOLDOVERS THAT WERE HAPPENING!
    Jeeshhhhh.... I would have done the exact same thing!
     
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    Actually they did a second airstrike on Thursday that killed 35 civilians. Trump at this point is doing everything the deep state wants him to do. He will keep on bombing Syria and escalating tensions with Russia as a result. I wonder if people are still going to be screaming that Trump is colluding with Russia when they start sending nukes our way.
     
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    If you think what's going on in the Ukraine is NOT the result of Russian agression, you really are blind!!!!!!!!

    That's so ridiculous that it's almost beyond belief that anyone other than a Russian stooge would say such a flagrantly ridiculous thing!

    Oh, and apparantlly when you were becoming an expert on world history in high school, you seem to have become one on geography as well!

    The Crimea is a little seaport? Who would have guessed?
     
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    Document your claim that the communications between the Trump campaign and the Russians were actually internal communications between Russians about the Trump campaign.
     
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    I'm glad you can take care of yourself, but you're being too hard. Not only did she have zero motive to make up her vividly detailed account ("better out some ice on that", which humanizes Bill in a way no bogus hit job would do), there was also a percipient witness to her injury, if not to the rape itself. This witness has no motive to lie either.

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/1999/02/...lt-accusation-against-clinton-resurfaces.html
     
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    Three of the most basic tenets of Marxism are 1. redistribution of wealth, 2. class warfare, and 3. central planning of the economy.

    You can't hear a Democrat speak today without them proselytizing about all three, sometimes in the very same sentence!

    The tenets are so interwoven in the Democrat Party Platform that it would take a total rewrite of almost all of the planks to remove these tenets.

    Claiming you are not a Marxist because you don't know what a Marxist is only makes it worse, not better.
     
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    Still playing the fool are you?

    It's normal for ambassadors to cultivate the powerful in their host country. That's part of their job!

    Your idiotic conspiracy claim that the Democrats somehow plotted to make sure that the Diplomatic Corp sat in the same place they always sit is still idiotic nonsense that you brayed like a sheep after the right wing trash blogs fed you the talking point.
     
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    I thought you wanted central planning of the economy.. by Trump.

    I don't know about redistribution of wealth.. The middle class has been shrinking for 20 years.. and you really can't have any sort of democratic republic without a robust middle class.

    What class warfare? Are you talking educated versus uneducated or rich versus poor?
     
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    Actually, I don't ever recall a Democrat on this forum going on about Marxism, or central planning of the economy.

    But when right wingers can't support their claims with a fact, they quickly resort to this sort of name calling.

    What you call class warfare, is income inequality. Something that is worse in the US now than it has been in 100 years. Oddly, the very right wingers who have been victims of this robber baron capitalism, voted for a man who put the bankers in charge, and who just submitted a budget aimed right at their pocketbooks (again).
     
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    Our form of government requires a robust middle class....

    I get so tired of these twerps who quip "marxism" without thinking.
     
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    Central planning of the economy was not what Marx had in mind as the final rearrangement.. He naively assumed that, after the revolution, the state, led by a vanguard, would be a temporary stage on the way to full blown communism, a stateless classless society led by the workers themselves. Someone forgot to tell Stalin, Castro, and Mao, LOL.
     
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    The only one that is playing the fool and a mope is you Tom. But then we already know why, don't we. Oh and don't deflect. The Russian Ambassador sat with the Demos and not with the Diplomatic Corp. He was seated Right in between all those Demos. Demos in front of him. Demos behind him. Demos side by side with him.

    He was not seated in with the Diplomatic Corp. When you figure out why all those Right Wings Sources jumped all over it. Let me know. Should filter down thru that clog you carry, in a few. Just sayin.
     
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    All those right wing sources jumped all over it because it was the talking point of the day, and they all crib this nonsense off of one another.

    Don't know what a mope is either.
     
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    Trump is advocating LESS central planning of the economy! What do you think fewer regulations and lower taxes are anyway?

    The middle class is disappearing because of the Marxist principles the Marxist Democrats have written into law. How many Marxist countries do you know of, e.g. Venezuela, that have a robust middle class? Marxism *always* causes shared misery, not shared prosperity!

    Bourgeois vs proletariat. Go read about it in the Communist Manifesto. It has more to do with implementing the labor theory of value instead of capitalism.

    Like I said, claiming you aren't a Marxist because you don't know what Marxism is only confirms you are a Marxist. Marxists are economic idiots, that's why they become Marxists in the first place! And it *is* where the Democrat party is today.
     
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    Yeah and they all got the pictures from those overseas News Sources like the AFP. Just like the NY Times did. A reality that you tried to deny.

    Oh you don't.....well Most of the Leftness here in Chicagoland and most of the leftness that are street people, do. :laughing:
     
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    Trump is all about central planning with himself as the central planner.

    Vz had 80 years of elitist military dictators before it slid into socialism.. There has always been a huge disparity in income. ALL wealth was concentrated in the small circle around the dictator. You need to study a bit of history.

    The Middle class in the US has been shrinking since Bush.
     
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    Utterly false on both counts.
     
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    Oh for God's sake... Listen to what Trump says.. He's even taking credit for Boeing, Lockheed and GE deals that have been in the works for a year.
     
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    This from the same skulls of mush that bloviate that anyone who criticizes Marxism or Centralized Government really don't know what it is.

    Total nonsense. The problem is that MMC just offered you fact - linked right there in his post - and you chose to claim it wasn't, and then get bent out of shape when you're called a mope as a consequence.

    You're justifying your warfare. There can be no classes without "income inequality".


    I've posted this mathematical fact over 20 times, and not one leftist ever tackles it:

    In 1924, the sum total US currency in circulation was something like 4 billion dollars. There was, at the time, about to be the first billionaire on the planet. The poor, however, were still at zero.

    Today - as of 3/2015 IIRC - there is a total of nearly 4 TRILLION US dollars in circulation. We have not quite yet created our first trillionaire. The poor, however, are still represented as zero.

    And you can't figure out that an exponential expansion between the richest and poorest amongst us is merely a matter of math. The amount of currency in circulation as expanded exactly as much as the spread between the rich and poor.

    And you're squawking about a talking point of "income inequality" when you know nothing about it at all. You've glommed onto it because it because it suits your vile liberal wealth redistribution agenda, and you're programmed sans facts.
     
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    Yes, but the assertion is that he favors a planned economy. He doesn't:

    Planned economies are usually associated with Soviet-type central planning, which involves centralized state planning and administrative decision making. In command economies, important allocation decisions are made by government authorities and are imposed by law.[6] Planned economies are held in contrast to unplanned economies, specifically market economies, where production, distribution, pricing and investment decisions are made by autonomous firms operating in markets.

    In no way has any president of the USA, especially including Trump, a capitalist, come even close to this, except FDR during WWII.
     

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