Whites And Asians Have With Black People MOD ALERT

grate topic.

 

Sublime double entendre!!!! So true.

 

I agree with much of what you've written. But I have moved past the idea of the United States. No one on earth is a greater enemy of Uncle Sam than am I. Figuratively speaking, for Uncle Sam "I have become death, the Destroyer of Worlds." You and I are the only people on PF who understand the meaning of the foregoing sentence.

 

No ideology is accepted by the preponderance of the American peoples. Notice I used the plural form.

White Nationalism in the past has focused on the notion that white people are superior and non-whites are inferior. You and I know that all human material is essentially the same. White Nationalism in the past was not populist. It did not call for the eradication of the super wealthy white class. Something new and very wicked this way walks.

 

You're referring to an AP poll. AP is considered fatally biased by American conservatives.

If you like polls I have commissioned a poll to be taken by my former neighbor. He would like to interview you. Here's Jaime: http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/ci_17082758

I just love to keep posting stories about Jaime. He's an archtype out here in Alta California.

 

I have no problems with any race, I have problems with individuals.

 

You are ignoring the entire half of the white population who fought to liberate these people from slavery and fought to give them equal rights under law. You can't only look at one half of the population and blame the entire group. That's dishonest. Black people didn't emancipate themselves and declare their own rights. Countless white people fought and died to help them achieve these things. Thus the position you are pushing here is disingenuous. You are painting a distorted, one-sided picture of history for the sake of exploiting victimhood, excusing personal responsibility, and villifying innocent people who refuse to feel guilty about things they didn't even do. "The nation" didn't do this to black folks. Half the nation did. And the other half fought tirelessly against it.

The same prejudices today are so minimal they are virtually irrelevant. This is what too many people refuse to accept. What is not irrelevant today is the prejudice in the opposite direction from black to white. Too many people are hung up on revenge instead of peaceful coexistence. Which is like swimming with a weight on one leg. Because not only does it hold people back from focusing on improving themselves, but it also ensures that racial tension will continue on endlessly until this attitude is put to bed.

You're right that divisive attitudes do not inspire or help anyone, but what you have to recognize is that nobody is doing anything to really inspire or help these people. Throwing tax dollars at them isn't doing anything but hurting them. As Albert pointed out earlier, this has successfully destroyed the strongest pillar of the black community; the family unit. That same family unit that withstood the horrors of slavery and Jim Crowe has now been thoroughly demolished by well-meaning ignorance and replaced with an addictive, destructive welfare/government dependence. If you really care about poor black folks and want to change the cycle that some of these people are stuck in, you have to change your approach. And that new approach must include personal interaction on the ground level and promoting accountability for individual behavior. Anything else is just putting a band-aid on a problem that will never go away. All the time and patience in the world won't do (*)(*)(*)(*) if you're not taking the correct course of action in the meantime.

 

You must not be from california.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2976JXlWhzk

 

I'm from California little one.

 

We lived in Wa, DC when I was small. It was when President John F. Kennedy was in office. My father was in the Army and grew up in Kansis City, Kansas.

He was totally hated black people but was married to a Japanese woman. It was apparent that more and more blacks were moving to D.C.

My father has been gone since 1971 due to complications from an artificial artery in his leg. He had been shot in the Korean war. He served in WWII, the Korean and Vietnam wars. He was an E7 )Infranty) and had many blacks under his command. He wasn't afraid to show his prejudice.

I see some of the same in my mom. She never really talks about blacks or other asians because she has class. I do think she has some ill feelings towards the Phillapinos and the ganster type blacks.

I never really have been prejudice because I can fit in with almost all races today. I had white kids call me half-jap as a kid but I never thought I looked it. That put me in a self consceince mode until I realized that I love the Japanese culture and have gone to Japan many times.

I see the younger generation asians having problems with other asian races. I also hear about blacks and asians in gang wars but don't see it out in public.

I could get irritated at anyone putting my heritage down because of the Japanese pride I have. It's not the same as being a staunch Republican but I do have some pride in the race I claim.

I learned early on it was inappropriate to call a black the "N" word which is what my father called them. I never understood that because he was in an Army band and the bass guitar player was an awesome older black man.

It seems like racism is like it was at the turn of the century. People say they aren't racist but I think actions speak louder than words. If we aren't open to learn about other cultures we can develope a lot of misconceptions.

 

How's it going, Unifer I'm afraid it's you who doesn't see the entire picture. I understand that half the nation fought against another half of the nation, but not all of those who fought against the South fought on behalf of Black people. Some fought to preserve the Union, despite their innate feelings of Black people. But the overall magnanimity you express in the Northern half of America fades after the Civil War, and very quickly, when new laws and traditions would once again unify nearly the entire country in the hatred or aversion to Black people in becoming too equal to Whites. Such is commonly reflected in politics of mayors, governors, and presidents, who had to make it clear that they were not in support of increased Black rights. This was present during the Civil War, and has followed ever since. It still continues to this day in some forms. Chicago, for instance, was one of the most startlingly racist places in America- even by standards of the South.

Racism and prejudice have decreased, but have not disappeared to the extent you make it out to seem, and I’m curious as to how you are able to gauge the racism Black people encounter in the country. The last time I saw, people were drawing monkey presidents and holding up African dolls in street protests to the President of the United States. You know as well as I do that racism persisted not subtly, but long past the Civil War as overt forms of policy even in the White House. Now, the general argument I keep hearing is that it was a long time ago. Long to you, but culturally, that is not a long time ago at all. You don’t seem to realize that Black people were institutionally and psychologically destroyed in this country. They were transformed from humans into property, both physically and in mindset. You are familiar with psychological warfare, right? The Black people you see today are the result of centuries of American psychological warfare. And continuously, despite the relatively astonishing advancements of the Black community despite their treatment by the White community, people continue to focus only on the detriments of society instead of the improvements. Everyone is calling for improvement, but there are improvements. You can’t turn a ghetto into a wonderland that fast because despite what you think, rivers of aid are not being poured into these communities. Similar to the much hyped statistics of American charity to third-world nations, there is a distinction between what is said and what is done. Money given as charity often find their way corruption, if they find their way at all.

Also, there was no golden age of the Black family in America. Blacks have had to deal with a considerable layering American policy towards them, and the modern time is the most convenient time for them. There was no point were Blacks had great freedom and fairness that simply came to destruction by government charity. The Black family was undermined by ,slavery, racism, prejudice, and the unequal access to general rights and economic advancement consecutively, since the time they were brought here, to the very recent. Black people have always faced suppression in some form or another, and welfare is only the latest link in that long and unbroken chain.

Now I understand that the present condition is bad, but, as I said, there is improvement. There is improvement BLACK PEOPLE ARE MAKING IMPROVEMENTS TO THEIR COMMUNITY. But there is hardly any real inspiration. At best, it is characterized by the kind on this forum. “Do something you sacks of s**t.” That’s flogging Black people with inspiration, not inspiring them. Persistent pseudoscience showing how inferior, unintelligent, criminally inclined, prone to rape, etc that gets marched around media- directly or not- does not help either, but of course you say there’s no racism, they’re just imagining it. In media, they have been shown to be these very things over and over again, and only in the very recent times have there been positive black images of Black’s in the media to at least confront the stereotypes.

The problem I always find with your posts on this subject is that while you, me, and maybe other whites like to see themselves as agents of tough love towards the Black community, they actually live and experience negativity from people other than ourselves who do not have that same mindset. Politically, there is always value to having this kind of underclass. The modern methods of suppression are different, but they are there, and you are right, welfare s definitely one of them. But how can poor people truly escape poverty en masse? The problem is you don’t live in that environment nor carry that racial stigma. People won’t take your resume and wonder about its credibility based on your race, regardless of what’s on it. Can you imagine the white house filled with Black people- even if they happened to be more qualified than white people? Even a quarter of the white house? The very thought would make a lot of people sick to their stomach and cries of the vanishing White race and, comically, cultural imperialism, would ring through every form of media you could find. Can you imagine an employer weighing the image of his business in the very same way?

The forces against them are still present. They are improving. And you don’t even need to give them anything to contribute to helping them. No matter how you try to reason it, they are the result of our countries actions against them. Helping them with honest, positive encouragement instead of beating them over the back with it would help improve how they perceive us perceiving them. The feeling of excommunication wouldn't be so profound, and maybe they would consider that they have a chance at becoming like the rest of America instead of existing to fill the bottom positions in it.

 

that is the problem. It isn't pseudo science...its science. You are unable to show that it is pseudoscience because you seem to be scientifically illiterate. Your labelling is just about reinforcing your ideology. It is the same principle as Christians saying that evolution is pseudo science because it doesn't fit their worldview.

Essentially you are demanding we suspend our judgement to embrace your values...this is just what Christians demand of us non beleivers as well.

 

grate response, mastermind.

 

If you would like to come up with better than be my guest.

 

While the AP did commission the survey it did not conduct the survey. The survey was performed by independent professionals and scientific sampling methods were used. Random phone numbers, both landline and cell, were selected and the survey used online technology for those selected. If the person didn't have a computer or internet access to respond to the survey then a computer and internet access was provided to them. As I recall the scientific margin of error for the survey was about 2% based upon the mathmatical laws of probability which apply to all scientific surveys.

While "American conservatives" disagree with the results of the AP commissioned survey they have not been able to produce any scientifically conducted poll that provides significantly different numbers. If, for example, another scientific poll is conducted that reflects only 50% or any other percentages of Republicans exhibit explicit racial prejudice it would contradict the AP commission then "American conservatives" would have a ligitimate bases for disputing the AP survey.

So the challenge for "American conservatives" that disagree with the AP survey is this. Provide another scientifically conducted survey that measures explicit racial prejudice and then provide us with the percentage of Republicans that have expressed explicit racial prejudice based upon that survey.

If 79% of Republicans don't express racial prejudice (as determined by the AP commissioned survey) then what percentage do?

Provide the percentage and the source for determining this percentage. Simply saying "I don't believe it" as an unsupported opinion is not a rebuttal.

 

do you mean then?

 

I stopped jumping through hoops for people long ago. There are lies, damn lies, statistics and polls. I can get any poll result I want by the way I structure the question being polled. Don't you think I can see right through this nonsense? Don't try to trick an old trickster.

 

In short the survey results are undisputed regardless of what people might choose to believe. Got it.

 

they're the product of discrimination and poverty decades/centuries of racial prejudice shaped the black society...In canada we have a very similar situation with natives, they are what we made them and it's a not an easy fix, a poor immigrant family (like vietnamese or chinese)has fewer perks offered to them than what the natives start with but they don't have the disadvantage a f****d up society/culture...

 

So you are claiming that Amrican Black people have a f@cked up society/ Culture* I think you are probably right.

So how are you going to fix it?

Unfortunately the only black group with postive ideas on this matter AND does something about it is the Nation of Islam (with their absurd beleifs)

 

fix it? I have no idea...education and escape from poverty would be a start but from experience with our natives that is a challenge. most never complete high school so how do they escape the poverty trap? crime substance abuse become their escape...how do you repair a society?

 

I personally have no problems with African Americans and nobody I am associated does. I do have a problem with people such as yourself who attempt to speak for others without any proof or factual information to support their views.

Your afraid of young Black Men? Why? I was a administrator at a V.A. Hospital and had 48 Black Male employees, most veterans. I had no problem relating to them.
Working with them, socializing with them. My two boys in their twenties grew up going to school with students of all races. Many of their "best buds" were African American. I have African American neighbors in a subdivision where the average home price is $300.000 . I will say that the one thing that ticks me off if that several times the police have stopped the cars in which my sons were passengers and the driver African American, for no reason, as they were entering our neighborhood. Asking everyone to get out, asking to search the care and subsequently when finding nothing letting them go. Why were they stopped? My guess because it was an upscale neighborhood and the driver was black. Totally wrong and I I called the Police Department the next day to complain. I also to my next door neighbor whose son was the driver and who was black. She said her kids were use to it. When I told her that the officer had no probable cause to search the car, she said that if they refused they would have all been arrested.

This is how are laws are enforced by are unbiased police officers?

 

Quite. the free education is already there but if they don;t turn up or mess around whilst there they can't take advantage if it

 

I actually think that 89% is closer to the actual percentage of Republicans that have no racial prejudice and I would also say that the same percentage , 89% would apply to Democrat voters, Independents and the remainder of Political groups.

IMO prejudice no longer is based on the Party or the Political beliefs of individuals.Sorry but I know too many Republicans and Conservative that are anything but pred. as do I know democrats that are not pred. But then I have encountered people that are highly pred. from both parties. IMO the Party a voter/citizen associates with is based more on the Role, Size, Power of the Federal Government. And also on their views on social issues and taxation.

 

Starting with the last point first, yes that is racial prejudice based upon an irrational fear and racial stereotyping.

The African-American community does admit it has problems of it's own making but the problems originated with the racial oppression and discrimination against them. When "white" Americans won't let a black man anywhere near them then they cannot get a job and the inability to obtain legal gainful employment results in illegal criminal activities and social dependency and that is a problem for African-American communities. We must also understand that even in fighting criminal activity in the African-American communities they face a problem. Law enforcement has a general unwillingness to address the problem on behalf of the law-abiding African-American citizens in the community. Racial prejudice in law enforcement and our criminal justice system is well documented.

At the bottom of all the problems remains racial prejudice and oppression of African-Americans and if we can eliminate that then virtually all of the other problems such as African-American crime disappear. A person working fulltime at a good paying job has no motivation to be a criminal but those that cannot get a job because of racial prejudice and discrimination have virtually no other means of "making a living" except though criminal activities.

Of interest is that white racists fear black on white crime but the crime statistics indicate this is a very small problem. Virtually all black crime is black on black crime. For example, in Cincinnati in 88% of the cases of black murders the victim is also black. A white person is far more likely to be murdered by another white person than they are to be murdered by a black person so why don't "whites fear whites" as opposed to fearing blacks when "whites" present the greater threat? We have completely irrational fear of the black man by white racists.