Who poisoned our culture and sexualised our children?

So bestiality is legal in Germany through some bizarre political oversight, and that there's a handful of "petting zoos" where the petting is slightly heavier than is healthy. What do you want to prove with this, that there's some massive societal decline visible as a result? No, I'm sorry, but do you know Germans by and large look at zoophiles? I'll give you a hint - "Stay away from me you disgusting freak". It's legal due to the way German law works - you never make a law on moral decisions, but on societal factors, and laws banning zoophilia were struck down by this in the 60s. Since then, Germany has adopted a policy of preventing harm to animals (in 2002), and now people are thinking about a ban, and zoophiles are coming out and crying foul.

This is not a sign of spontaneous societal decay, this is a sign of a German legal quirk and a group of perverts (who have been there for half a century) taking advantage of it. But you know what? Let's assume that this was a new trend. It'd be one tiny example of a minuscule subculture in a country I wasn't even aware was part of the discussion. This is like claiming "across the country, everyone is suffering under the legalization of weed", and when pressed pointing to a single small town in Montana where drug abuse has taken hold, without actually looking at anything else. Long-standing societal trends of decline? So far, you've provided none. What else do you have?

Okay, not to advocate bestiality, but do you know what else brings pain and suffering to helpless animals? Skinning, beheading, cooking, and eating them. And yet I'm pretty sure you're not a huge fan of PETA. This is probably why the idea of someone porking a horse really doesn't bother me that much - since when have we ever cared about an animal's consent before?

Why is the JDF article meaningful? It's like if you found, say, OJ Simpson writing a treatise on how all black people are nasty and violent in an issue of "black power monthly". Would hardly say anything conclusive about the entire black race, it'd merely be the opinion of one person in a fringe journal.

 

For the fourth time.

Because of the admissions revealed within it.

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Reported.

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Except that it wasn't a "bizarre political oversight".

 

Progressive Secular Humanists who promote moral relativity are responsible for the current decline in the American culture.

 

How do you come to this conclusion?

 

Like who?

Name some names?

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Duh!

BY READING IN ITEM IN OP.

 

That you seem to see human sexuality as a deviant, let alone equate it to bestiality does not say much for you understanding of a reality clearly show throughout our history. It instead, might indicate some level of unfortunate behavior resting within yourself. Very few humans decide it is a god idea to play with sheep, unless perhaps they have no other option.....I pity your position, and recommend therapy and a workout program.

 

The poster you refer to seems to despise all Jews without reservation, and appears to blame them (with examples), for all the world's ills.
I, on the other hand, despise political Zionism as evidenced by the Israeli government's official position on Palestine. I would despise that attitude to an oppressed minority irrespective of the faith, nationality or skin colour of the owner.
That is the difference between us; that certain people cannot differentiate between anti-Semitism and a legitimate criticism of a political stance is really not my problem, but theirs. Hope this clears things up for you.

My stepfather, having lost his family to the Nazis, escaped from Poland in order to fight with Britain to rid the world of the kind of disgusting bigotry we read here. It would have saddened him to learn that it is still alive and kicking, and that he only partially succeeded.

 

"Admissions". Again, you're acting as though this is a person speaking for all Jews. Which is bull(*)(*)(*)(*). What Abrams is offering is not an admission. It is an assertion. And given the lack of evidence, I don't think I'm gonna buy it.

Actually, it was. No law in Germany intended to legalize bestiality, it's simply that laws in Germany cannot be based on morality alone. They have to have some real societal grounding. And in 1969, the courts found that there was no such societal grounding for a law against bestiality - the complaints about animal rights were dismissed because German law didn't care about animal welfare until 2002. Oh, and guess what? It's illegal now. So uh... Yeah. Nice example of societal decay due to sexual freedom, when in fact what happened was that a half-century long sexual freedom (which was never intended in the first place) was overturned.

Yeah yeah. Give me (*)(*)(*)(*) for playing devil's advocate. You still have approximately nothing as far as actual evidence goes. The best you could offer was the german zoophilia case? It's nothing.

 

Your link says nothing of the kind

 

Um no I most surely do not.

You are free to be wrong though.

Does one really need to school another on the fundamental difference between a man and a women having a natural, healthy, and hopefully loving relationship(of which sex will be part, but not the only part), and someone having sex with a dog?

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Nothing of what 'kind'?

 

You recommend therapy for me for refusing to see sex with animals as 'a lifestyle choice'?



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That is me.

Don't speak about me.

I am not the topic buddy.

Eventually you will get this.

The topic mainly consists within the article in the JDF.

 

Try to keep up go back and read what you appear to be talking about.

 

Lack of evidence?

Lol.

Re read the article from the JDF.

He doesn't just offer his 'assertion'.

He offers names, cites and examples.

I don't care if you 'buy' or not.

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I know what I am talking about.

The information in the JDF item in the OP.

Quote a part of it and debate it.

 

Yet more clear examples of the gradual sexualisation of our children, which some people, for reasons best known only to themselves, will give a free pass to, suggest I get 'therapy' for finding abhorent.

Yet more clear examples of the sexualisation of children gone mainstream, and eating into our culture, as I have maintained all the way through.

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Primark padded bikini row: Leave our kids alone
As the row deepens over the sexualising of our children, Jenny McCartney sees signs of parents fighting back.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/...k-padded-bikini-row-Leave-our-kids-alone.html

Abercrombie criticized for selling push-up tops to little girls

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/BUSINESS/03/26/abercrombie.bikini.controversy/index.html

 

You just don't follow the argument.

YOU TEACH PEOPLE HOW TO TREAT YOU. That simple. The reason you can't make a holocaust joke is that Jews would protest and write letters and otherwise make a huge stink about how horrible it is to joke about mass murder. Therefore, no one does it. It's also why you will be a social pariah for saying the word (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) in public -- people throw a fit, they make sure that anyone associating with you suffers, and thus no one uses that word anymore. Now, if it were to happen that Jews didn't raise a stink over holocaust jokes, there would be holocaust jokes (actually there is a "holocaust on you plate" campaign from PETA, and it doesn't get much attention). If blacks no longer cared that whites were calling them (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s, the word would be much more widespread.

You can try to say distasteful things in the media all you want, but if the people riot every time you do that, it cannot get cultural traction. In fact, it probably isn't going to get any traction. I care not if Jews, Martians or anyone else are making jokes about any topic, but I do care that the audience isn't standing up to the people doing so. No one can treat you like dirt without your consent -- withdraw your consent if you don't like it. Cancel the cable, write letters, boycott businesses that support stuff you hate -- that's how it works, unless there's a pushback, the envelope will be pushed in that area. The reason no one messes with Islam is that -- they won't stand for it, so it doesn't happen.

 

Doesn't your stance put you in the position of kissing Palestinian ass and throwing Israeli Jews under the bus?

Wouldn't your step father be spinning in his grave at your distinction without a difference on this matter?

The bottom line is that if your cause were to be victorious the State of Israel and most of the Jews around the world, would be worse off than otherwise.

 

Um, no.. Clearly you understood not a word. Try reading the part where I clearly stated that I despise the Israeli government's political positioning. That they happen to be Jewish is purely incidental and has no influence on my point of view. I have no issue whatsoever with Jews. Why would anyone be that stupid?
By the way, I have no 'cause' but that in my family's motto-sto pro veritas
My stepdad was a Jew, not a Zionist.

 

Oh, there are certainly a lot of citations in there, but his central thesis, the one you're banking on, is very flimsy. And furthermore, the actual effects of this "sexual uprising"? Nowhere to be seen. There are certainly no negative societal trends you could point to. The best you can offer are individual examples, usually incredibly weak, strewn across the globe, usually with fatal flaws. Case in point:

Notice how the response to this was not "Eh, same ol', same ol'" (as one would expect from society if your hypothesis holds up), but rather "oh my god, look at this terrible thing that has no reason to exist!", and the product was almost immediately withdrawn among a storm of public outrage.

Very similar story - a company clearly crosses the line and does something obscene and unreasonable, and is met with overwhelming public denouncement. These are not the symptoms of a society that is hypersexualizing children; this is the sign of some jackasses taking it too far and getting forced back into line by very angry "moral majority" people who are also very right.

P.S. how's the hunt for those statistics on child abuse going? I'm sure that, after all, such a sexualization should lead to higher rates of child molestation (and rape, and teen pregnancy, and abortion)... Right?

 

Your effort to parse the difference seems naive and rather short sighted. But, hey you go head on and do what you do.

If your side were to miraculously win the day, what would the newspaper headlines read?

 

@OP

Here's the thing. Humans are animals. The more you try to distance yourself from this fact as a society, the stronger the animal in us will push back. Humans keep trying to do this separation from nature thing. The only difference between us and animals is invention, law and religion. So when you purposely try to subdue what is in reality instinct, you're asking for trouble. You get things like priests molesting children, sexual predators, rapists and other signs of suppression revolt on a subconscious level. I'm not saying that children should be made to be sexualized, but the truth is the more society tries to shame what is natural, the worse it will get.

 

"My side"? What do you mean by that? Respectfully, if you can't understand the difference between Judaism, the faith, and political Zionism which uses tenous religious imperatives as its catalyst, then it is not I who is naive.

 

Who cares man?

Please quote something from the JDF article and say something about that.

Please say something about having sex with animals being seen as a 'lifestyle choice'.

Please say something about the sexualisation of children in the mainstream(I have given examples).

All of those things would be on topic and interesting.

Hearing about your Jewish stepdad and life story is not.

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Moving on...(with more examples)


Peter Tatchell an openly gay multiculturalist Australian he fled Australia in 1971 to avoid National Service. Tatchell claims that after meeting members of the Gay Liberation Front while importuning young boys in London toilets he joined , however “Founding Members” photos of the GLF show Tatchell. He became a leading member of GLF when it ran Islington Care Homes in the 1970s. Ran as the Labour Parliamentary Candidate in Bermondsey in 1983 ( and lost ). Infamously Tatchell said “Not all sex involving children is unwanted ,abusive or harmful”. For some reason Tatchell has a 3 inch thick steel door on his flat. Tatchell has claimed many of his friends had sexual relationships with adults when they were 9 to 13 years old with no harmful effects. Widely believed to have been a member of the Paedophile Information Exchange when it was affiliated to GLF in the 1970s , however the Metropolitan Police claim they destroyed all membership records of P.I.E. in 1983.

 

And why?

Why is it met with "overwhelming public denouncement"..?

Because people don't want this FILTH pushed into our culture.

What's NOT to understand?

 

[video=youtube;lrgRCmLz4W0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpag e&v=lrgRCmLz4W0[/video]

 

Evidently some people do. Without demand there is no need for supply. Our 'culture' generated the desire for this stuff; it didn't appear out of a vaccuum, and I see no evidence of it being 'pushed'. I wasn't aware of the German law until you pushed it onto the forum, by the way.