Who Stood Out in Last Night's Democratic Debate?

So you never claimed that Harris 'viciously attacked' Biden in that debate?

 

It was the Dem's that created the monstrosity in California. This is a recent event in California and it only started when the state shifted from a red state, to a hard blue state.

 

1. Political "food fights" occur when 2 or more candidates senselessly yelling at each other with nothing of substance offered in the exchange. "Food fights" are uncontrolled & useless. Nobody gains from them--either the candidates themselves or the audience. What Harris did in confronting Biden had none of the characteristics found in a political "food fight."
2. All the things you mention helped make that attack more effective. Harris is a honed legal prosecutor. She's an expert at talking to judges & jurors in a courtroom, & at convincing them of guilt on the part of a defendant. She was using those skills against Biden in that debate. Keep in mind, she was expressing a point regarding an issue that she had personal experience in that was a sore spot with her & others, & that Biden had helped create years ago. It was a real policy disagreement--not just a personal attack against Biden.
3. In the debate, all candidates were guaranteed 30 seconds to respond to any charges. I think more could be given as well.
4. Like you, I was hoping for a "civilized" contest among the candidates. Like you, I would strongly prefer they simply provide us with their best case for their own personal attributes & strengths as a potential President. But, with over 20 candidates, I expected someone would cross that line into aggressive competitiveness. I share your disappointment here.
5. No. Absolutely not. But even though I have preferences among the 20+ candidates running, I'd vote for any of them against Trump. All of them are superior to Trump.

 

Joe Biden was an attorney who knew his way around a courtroom and he sure was no amateur to debate. He graduated from Syricuse University Law school, and was a public defender, then worked for a private firm before before opening his own law office. Harris was attacking someone who presumably knows how to defend himself against these same tactics even with time constraints of a televised political debate. He's been in a lot of these in the course of his 40 year political career. He opened up this topic all on his own by bragging about his working with segregationists in the Senate. Did he not think anyone was going to wonder on what? You can't think he has not had to defend his position on bussing virtually every time he ran for re-election. So if he was blindsided, its because he had his blinders on. I think we can learn a great deal from a debate, as opposed to a cattle call. This exchange sure showed me some apparent vulnerabilities. Frankly, I'm not sure he is all that mentally sharp anymore.

 

I agree with your post, & feel the very same way about Biden. I think Harris is a far better contender against Trump, & will have a better chance of defeating him in 2020. I hope other Democrats come to that same conclusion. Harris will be difficult for Trump to deal with, and psychologically challenging for him to accept as a potential winner, for two reasons--she's black & she's a woman. That'll weaken him & force his hand publicly. I think Harris would be a great choice for the nomination.

 

Its early days. Us Dems have a lot to learn about most of these potential nominees. Other than Sanders and Biden, none have been thoroughly vetted. That is what the campaign process is supposed to provide -including debates with the inherent conflict they induce into a campaign. This is not supposed to be a celebration of unity. Its about exploring differences, some rather sharp.

 

I'm OK with that, but don't want the party to be divided on election day like they were in 2016. That division cost us the election.

 

Yup, during that change people stopped coming to CA and started leaving.

 

Nobody wants that division. If you select the right nominee, he or she will be effective at healing the inevitable cuts of primary season. To do that we have provide a process that demands more of our party than a socialist Democrat who fakes being a democrat, to get his message out, and a woman with more baggage than LaGuardia airport, and fewer campaign skills than the side-pockets of one carry-on bag. The real problem last time, was we literally had only two candidates left after New Hampshire and all the primaries were a joke thereafter. We had too few choices and too little debate.

 

She knew what she was doing. She set him up to react as she expected him to.

 

You just don't understand what progressives see as their number one priority and that's getting rid of the establishment Democrats.

 

The DNC divided the party. This is why the progressives this time around are going to diss the DNC and fight back. Progressives see the DNC as a road block to their agenda.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
If they see each other as the enemy then they must WANT Trump to have another term......and don't give a red hot ship about what their constituents want...

You just don't understand that their constituents want the worst President ever OUT OF OFFICE and THAT is the priority.


The FACTS are that you just can't wave a magic wand and all the old people will disappear.

The old folks still have the POWER and knowledge and connections....

The youngsters should tone down their egos and realize that without "establishment Dems" on their side they will have a hard time getting rid of Trump, the Number ONE priority..

 

The establishment Democrats wish the progressives would just shut up and go away. That's not going to happen old timer. Getting rid of Trump is a priority for progressives but not with just another do nothing establishment candidate like Biden. Don't expect any of them except maybe Bernie to buckle under to the DNC once again.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
If they see each other as the enemy then they must WANT Trump to have another term......and don't give a red hot ship about what their constituents want...




You just don't understand that their constituents want the worst President ever OUT OF OFFICE and THAT is the priority.


The FACTS are that you just can't wave a magic wand and all the old people will disappear.

The old folks still have the POWER and knowledge and connections....

The youngsters should tone down their egos and realize that without "establishment Dems" on their side they will have a hard time getting rid of Trump, the Number ONE priority..

I don't know why you quoted me because you didn't address a word of my post ….just gave a speech....you could've done that without quoting me.

 

The point is he should have known what he was doing - but he didn't. As I said, I could have predicted that someone would ask about those segregationists and busing. We are left to ask why he did not have any answer other than to repeat the words 'dept of education' incorporated in some word salad on civil rights. He looked like he had dementia.

 

As a Progressive, I think the DNC policy of giving the Super-delegates so much power in determining the nominee in 2016, was its failure. They supposedly fixed that problem for 2020. I hope so.

 

Your boy Biden is dropping in the polls. Seems the youngsters were watching the debates after all. You're out of touch with the younger more progressive wing of your party.

 

I find it odd how the establishment Democrats keep bragging Hillary Clinton won the popular vote yet the DNC keeps an electoral style voting system in place.

 

Brilliant point. Kind of like how Democrats are against strict ID checks to vote, except in union elections.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
If they see each other as the enemy then they must WANT Trump to have another term......and don't give a red hot ship about what their constituents want...




You just don't understand that their constituents want the worst President ever OUT OF OFFICE and THAT is the priority.


The FACTS are that you just can't wave a magic wand and all the old people will disappear.

The old folks still have the POWER and knowledge and connections....

The youngsters should tone down their egos and realize that without "establishment Dems" on their side they will have a hard time getting rid of Trump, the Number ONE priority..






I don't know why you quoted me because you didn't address a word of my post ….just gave a speech....you could've done that without quoting me.

Biden is not my "boy"....just another shout out from your imagination...as is your ""You're out of touch with the younger more progressive wing of your party"""


If you had a point you could've refuted what I posted instead of imagining what you want to see....

 

I am making my point, you're just refusing to see it. Your established Democratic party is experiencing a very severe revolution.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/02/opinions/busing-historical-context-biden-joseph/index.html?

(CNN)Former Vice President Joe Biden, the presumptive front-runner for the Democratic Party's presidential race, is under fire for his opposition to "forced busing" during the 1970s. US Sen. Kamala Harris of California, one of the two most visible African-Americans running for president, placed this issue in stark relief during the recent Democratic presidential debate by personalizing this history. She characterized herself as a little girl who was part of the second racially integrated class at Berkeley, California public schools, desegregation made possible by legally sanctioned busing.

 

And YOU have never proven that I refuse to see it....you just made things up...and NEVER addressed my posts with what they actually said....

AGAIN, why do you need to quote my posts when all you want to do is give a speech???

 

Give a speech? I provide an excerpt from links I include. Clearly you don't bother to click on the links to learn something.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
And YOU have never proven that I refuse to see it....you just made things up...and NEVER addressed my posts with what they actually said....

AGAIN, why do you need to quote my posts when all you want to do is give a speech???

WHY TF would I need to read your links ?

I made a statement and you used your imagination to make it something it wasn't.....go argue with yourself if you insist on making things up...