Who would work harder for what they believe? "Pro-life" or Pro-Choice?

Sam, I know you'll now say "I care about that too"....but have you ever noticed how in your posts you NEVER seem to care about MEN "taking responsibility and being good fathers"?

You always talk about how women must do what you want....but you don't ever seem concerned that MEN do what you want?

And when was the last time you called a MAN "evil"? Compared to the number of times you've called women "evil"?

 

Totally ignoring the circumstances of any woman's impending parenthood, totally ignoring her wishes and well-being, totally ignoring her capabilities and the effect on her future....that's uncaring and callous. Totally ignoring that abortion is one way of taking responsibility for her actions is uncaring and callous. Flashing bumper stickers instead of reason and compassion is uncaring and callous. And you know what?...All this uncaring and callousness is IMMORAL, highly IMMORAL. Somebody has suggested that all immorality should be illegal.

 

to heck with the human life being snuffed away.

 

That's EXACTLY what YOU do when you deny an 11 year old an abortion of her father's baby...you snuff out her life.

That's EXACTLY what you do when you allow a pregnant woman to die instead of letting her have an abortion to save her life...YOU snuff out her life....


CALLOUS is wanting children born to people who don't want them and/or can't afford them...YOU want them to suffer to prove a point or to punish women or some stupid non-reason..., YOU do not care that their lives may be hell...

 

Keep in mind, Sam TOO has been rather "neutral" on the idea of letting women DIE rather than be allowed to have an abortion. Not as vehement as Prunepicker...but seemingly sympathetic to Prunepicker's position-


Originally Posted by Gorn Captain - "What if the woman would die....but the fetus would be delivered and survive?"

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=361526&page=11&p=1064019273#post1064019273

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sec, you don't care about "human life"....just fetal life. Tell me how much you care about children who get killed in a war as "collateral damage".

And don't give us your "You'll answer to God" stuff either....the God of the Bible ORDERED the killing of actual born babies and children.

 

and yet you deem it your place to judge others .. perhaps you would be better served to not judges others less you be judged in return.

 

A number of ways .. didn't you know that?

Although how a woman got pregnant has nothing to do with abortion and is nothing more than deflection .. consent to sex does not equal consent to pregnancy. prove otherwise.

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It is uncaring and callous towards the woman.

 

Even if it is, so what?

There's nothing more uncaring and callous than aborting an innocent child for the sake of selfishness and convenience.

 

There really is no need for any reply to that, it speaks for itself.

Was ... lather .. rinse ... repeat.

 

Hypocrite. you call me uncaring and callous. women are the uncaring ones in this situation.

You arent actually addressing my arguement. Evasion fallacy!

 

Look up hypocrite before you make accusations you cannot support.

considering the fact that they have been addressed numerous times on numerous threads and yet you keep trying to push them as something new ... Wash ... lather .. rinse ... repeat is a factually answer to them.

 

Thats a huge lie. Your only addressal of my arguement is "irrelevant". you are so in denial.

 

I know youre talking about yourself, but what about me?

 

That poster has never evaded your poor excuse for an argument...and don't forget that the proof of that is here , in this forum..........and it's funny coming from you who has repeatedly evaded those inconvenient questions.

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Sam, normal people outgrow "I know you are but what am I" by the time they're 5 or 6.


Why don't you try addressing the topic.

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/abort...eath-burden-carried-passed-generations-6.html - Post #55

http://www.politicalforum.com/abort...tian-pro-lifers-who-scream-infanticide-5.html - Post #47 Onwards

http://www.politicalforum.com/abortion/312850-22-weeks-11.html - Post #108

There are just three of the many times your repeated assumption of "selfishness and convenience." has been answered, and if you are going to call me a liar you better have bloody good prove to support it .. So Sam who is the liar here?

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I make no accusations without proof .. you on the other hand do it every time you have no relevant or reasonable response.

 

Your only response is, "you assume women do it for conveniece", and "your beliefs are irrelvant" (paraphrased) IOW, you evade my arguements. None of your responses truly counterargue the valid things I have to say. Nothing you said disputes the fact of how immoral and selfish some women can be.

Arguing with you is so depressing, I'd rather listen to Summertime Sadness. At least that song has a nice melody. Arguing politics with you is like a hamster running around in circles.

 

Yes, hamsters never learn.....they just keep repeating the circle......

 

That is not a fact, it is your opinion. Do you understand the difference?

 

I don't evade your arguments, explain how you argue against someone who posts use arguments based on personal opinion and assumption and rarely produces any evidence to support that argument ie YOU say it is inconvenient yet NEVER have you given a single valid piece of evidence to proof that.

you are entitled to your uninformed opinion .. however without evidence it is really irrelevant to the issue.

Furthermore, if my response of ""you assume women do it for conveniece [sic]" is incorrect then please provide the evidence as to WHY it is incorrect.

Furthermore, the second link provided contains responses from another poster, which also counter your personal opinion .. such as

to which you gave a non-answer, instead choosing to ask yet another question

and finally the third link offered, does not do either of the things you have stated above, it gives a rational answer to your personal insistence that abortion is done for "selfish", "convenient" reasons, as follows;

That is your perception .. personally arguing with you is like arguing with a goldfish, you forget what you said a few seconds after saying it.

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no he doesn't, not in the slightest .. neither does he understand that his opinion matters little to some other people and yet he wants his opinion to be the basis of law

 

"It is uncaring and callous towards the woman."---Fugazi

Again, Sam shows his true feelings about women.

 

I really think he does not, Cady. I think Sam believes what he believes is "objective truth" and "fact".

Stephen Colbert termed it "truthiness".

 

You cant debunk my arguements because you have no way to disprove my claims about women. All you know to do is to play cricket and drink breakfast tea.

My opinion is based on basic human morals and decency. Something people obviously have a hard time understanding.

 

Like your claim that you don't dislike them?

 

BTW when Sam declares we can't "disprove anything I say"....it's always fun to go back to the Classics-

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=333480&page=7