Who would work harder for what they believe? "Pro-life" or Pro-Choice?

Imagine the anti-choice fantasy of Roe overturned and several States making abortion legal (while others kept it legal)....or even the even more fantastical "Abortion Prohibition" where it was illegal nation-wide......

I can clearly see those who are pro-choice, including myself, acting as "Harriet Tubmans"....helping women who want an abortion to the "Free" States or Canada to obtain one....at the use of their own time and money and effort, or even risk of imprisonment. We'd FIGHT for what we believe.

While I doubt most "pro-lifers" in that world would make an effort to "rat out" women who were pregnant.....join a local Womb Gestapo Neighborhood Watch (to keep tabs on women who "disappeared for a weekend").....etc. They'd just sit back in their easy chairs....assured in self-satisfaction that "Abortion is illegal...I don't care if it's actually enforced very well."

My proof? The current situation. What does the average "pro-choicer" do?

MAYBE go to the Roe anniversary rally every February in DC?....but not all of them, or even most, which is obvious by the crowd sizes.

Vote for a "pro-life" Republican?....and then forget about abortion until the next election cycle when some smarmy politician says "I abhor abortion....now, give me your vote again...but, uh, don't think I'm actually going to make it illegal".

Do a prayer circle in church maybe?

Post on blogs?

Now I'm not talking about them "going Eric Rudolph" (or Scott Roeder) or anything violent. Just don't see them putting a lot of EFFORT in it. When you hear about some "pro-life" group rallying in front of a clinic...it's like maybe a dozen....culled from all across that State and a few bussed in.

It's ALMOST like they don't see abortion being legal as "that important".....as pro-choicers would see it important, getting women their rights if abortion were banned.

As if...the "pro-lifers"....really aren't that serious about it. Which is odd given how they scream that abortion is "murder" or "just like the Holocaust"...and yet they treat it like people who want a Flat Tax or something....a lot of TALK, but no real effort at getting it.

 

Who knows, maybe wanton killers are more dauntless than those who value and respect life.

 

Seems those who "value and respect life"....are either pretty LAZY or not as "outraged" as they claim on BLOGS.

Tell me, Whaler....how many times a year do you go protest in front of a clinic providing abortion services??? It should be easy to get to....Louisiana isn't that big of a state.

 

>>>MOD EDIT Off Topic Removed<<< I understand that protesting in front of a clinic is meaningless. Just like all the stupid meaningless and result less protesting we recently saw in Ferguson. I prefer to talk to girls about the fact that abortion is a wanton homicide before they make the stupid decision to have sex with a low life Democrat who will not stick around and be responsible.

 

Random girls? Strangers? Do parents allow you to talk to their daughters if they don't know you ? Do you "allow" girls to have sex with Republican lowlifes?

Do you hold seminars? Do you have a degree in sex counseling? What are your qualifications for passing out erroneous advice?
(You don't even know that Republicans have abortions.)

 

Like I said, protesters are apparently just bored and have nothing better to do with their time. Does nothing to further a cause
Educating girls so they don't fall for the lies of the pro abortion crowd is the way to go. I talk to girls I have influence over, pointless to talk to random strangers. I don't know any Republican lowlifes, all seem to be Dims.

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You claim to be a valid judge? Buhahahaha!!!

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Not interested in your opinion for obvious reasons.

 

Yeah because you have nothing of value to rebut my opinion.

 

Oh Skippy, you know that isn't the reason.

 

My, my what an unnatural interest you have in girl's sex lives......

 

they murder born people, respect life my butt

 

Typically ignorant abortion proponent's viewpoint. I have two daughters and thankfully they know better than to listen to the likes of you.

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You need to stop listening to idiot left wing puppeteers junior.

 

once a person is born, a pro-lifer could care less about them.... they could die of a curable disease they can't afford to treat for all they care, survival of the richest to them

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At least you recognize the unborn are also people.

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More silly nonsense abortion advocates use to justify homicides. Shameful!

 

potential people, every egg and sperm is a potential shell of a person.... if the shell breaks, the life force will move on to the next available shell....

do you believe your God is good like that?

do you believe all fetus's that do not become babies go to heaven?.... or do you think God sends them to hell?..... is a free pass to heaven a bad thing in your eyes?

all simple questions, but I am sure a pro-lifers brain wont let them answer them, cause they would require one to actually think.. prove me wrong pro-lifers

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You did NOT state at first that they were your daughters you were "counseling", you only said "girls".

If you can't explain yourself clearly ( or changed your story to one more plausible) that's your fault.

Why would I talk to your daughters?? What a weird thing to think...
Are you in Colorado? (where pot is legal)???

 

Of course it is boy.

 

Fox, you will find the poster you are responding to is one who commonly moves the goalposts and misrepresents what others post, the poster then usually disappears for a while before returning with more irrelevant crap.

 

He'll pop in for a while, make a few opinion points and then disappear again .. standard really as he has no real intent to debate.

 

Nor an ability to debate.

 

I'm sure your using a girl's unwanted pregnancy....to promote the Republican Party ...works out very well for you.

 

BTW, I think it's very likely that under a hypothetical Abortion Prohibition....guys like Whaler, Prunepicker, Amazing Sam...

wouldn't join the Womb Gestapo or even care about abortion any more. They'd sit back in their easy chair, say "It's illegal....problem solved", and pat themselves on the back for how "moral" they are.

Meanwhile those of us on the pro-choice side would be fighting for women's rights, upto an "Underground Railroad" to help women get to Free States or Canada.

See, they like to TALK a lot....but it's mostly just self-serving and self-righteousness...or as in Whaler's case, political partisanship....not a REAL interest in stopping abortion.

 

It is actually a very relevant question because a law does not stop something from happening. It can convince some to refrain from an act but not all. If it was me and I had a voice in the mythical world I would fund massive programs of sexual education, insured abundant and cheap birth control, advocate changes to adoption laws so that it is easier to adopt, and promote the concept of family and marriage. Education, availability, and options all those things would be needed so that people will not want to have an abortion. Because any one could get an abortion if they wanted one. The goal should be to convince them that they dont.

 

for once you have said something that in essence I agree with .. however the devil is in the details.

What form would your sexual education take?
What type of contraception would you make abundant and cheap?
What changes would you make to adoption laws?
Why does a family have to include marriage?

 

I would leave the education to our teachers an professors. But it should include all the standard things the hows and why of reproduction, how to prevent diseases and pregnancy, also abstinence would still be best but if you do use protection.

Most kinds the pill, injections, condoms, spermicidal sprays, but I would not want the drugs that terminate the pregnancy (this world has outlawed abortions after all)

Make it easier for people to adopt, dont charge huge amounts of money, add incentives, dont discriminate based on age, color, religion, or sexuality.

Healthy marriages lead to more stable home lives in general (not always). The break down in the family unit is a scourge of our poor neighborhoods and leads to many of the abortions. Promote marriage and encourage our youths to stay together and teach their children the same.

 

I am quite literally in a state of shock here . .as many of the things you have said I agree with.

so a comprehensive sex education as follows would be acceptable to you;

Teaches that sexuality is a natural, normal, healthy part of life

Teaches that abstinence from sexual intercourse is the most effective method of preventing unintended pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases, including HIV

Provides values-based education and offers students the opportunity to explore and define their individual values as well as the values of their families and communities

Includes a wide variety of sexuality related topics, such as human development, relationships, interpersonal skills, sexual expression, sexual health, and society and culture

Includes accurate, factual information on masturbation, and sexual orientation

Provides positive messages about sexuality and sexual expression, including the benefits of abstinence

Teaches that proper use of latex condoms, along with water-based lubricants, can greatly reduce, but not eliminate, the risk of unintended pregnancy and of infection with sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) including HIV

Teaches that consistent use of modern methods of contraception can greatly reduce a couple's risk for unintended pregnancy

Includes accurate medical information about STDs, including HIV; teaches that individuals can avoid STDs

Teaches that religious values can play an important role in an individual's decisions about sexual expression; offers students the opportunity to explore their own and their family's religious values

Teaches that a woman faced with an unintended pregnancy has options: carrying the pregnancy to term and raising the baby, or carrying the pregnancy to term and placing the baby for adoption.

How about IUD's and hormone implants, they are the most effective types of contraception but also the most expensive, and what about sterilization, would you allow a 20 year old woman who does not want children to be sterilized?

I do have an issue with this, promoting marriage is all well and good .. however, no person should be forced to remain in a relationship - including marriage.