why ancient people Illyrians have chosen Islam?

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  1. litwin

    litwin Well-Known Member

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Bosniaks

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albania

    why the ancient people Illyrians did choose Islam? and which of those 2 Muslim nations ( Bosniaks or Albanians) are real Illyrian nation, which is a pathetic fake ?
     
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    look very turkish to me ... maybe Illyrians were turks?
     
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    Croats,Bosnians,Montenegrians and Albanians are Illyrians but only Albanians still speak the language of the Illyrians,the other part got assimilated in Slavs.

    BTW,Do you want to see the Illyrians dancing?

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbKMh45dpkY"]ANSAMBLI KOMBETAR SHOTA NE ULQIN 2011 - YouTube[/ame] CHECK THIS OUT;)
     
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    Thank you very much sir for this song, I never heard that song before.
     
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    i got only one word out of this show - Mustafa, is it an illerian:fart: name? dont you see how its pathetic?
     
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    So explain me what religion has to do with the Origin? :mrgreen:
    I can't get this.
     
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    the national romanticism was pathetic in XIX century, today its a mega-pathetic. ask yourself why (in 2012) do you need this mythological-legendary background? instead fight corruption, Wahhabism, Mafia and dont forget about sex-education in your schools
     
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    Again these things doesn't have anything in common with the Origin,and at all the Illyrians weren't that developed but they are our Ancetors and we will not deny our past. :mrgreen:
     
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    Because they were too dumb and therefore they live today as the poorest country of Europa.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olfjW49qNbI"]Funny looking Europeans - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    Those guys are Gypsyes that are living in Balkan,They doesnt have anything to do with Albanians!
     
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    Your "trademark is intolerance.By classifying its adversaries as haters, or mentally ill... " exactly:-D
     
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    thats why you have destroyed Gypsy's community in kosovo?

    http://www.kosovo.net/gypsies.html
     
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    People in Balkans turned to Islam for the sake of being min. 400 years (some 600) under Ottoman rule. Constitution was Sharia, and generally people started turning to Islam for having more privileges in terms of wealth,safety (even though non Muslims were pretty much safe),etc. People in Bosnia (i.e today's Bosniaks as one of the ethnic society who got presence of ilyrian genetical tissue at most today) at pre Islamic time belonged to branch of Christianity called Bogumilstvo. Bogumils were proclaimed to be heretics by Roman Catholic Pope and were persecuted almost everywhere where Roman Catholic Church could reach them. Since most of their practices were similar to Islam, and as far as I remember they were persecuted for not for example they didn't ring a bell in a Church and taught by their past they turned to Islam. Bosnian Church and Krstjani were the one of the rare example where heretic Church was State accepted Church though.
     
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    BS , your are the typical south slavic people, serbs or something special , is not important ...

    maybe its time to get back to your roots?
     
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    If language is slavic, it doesn't make a person necessarily 100% Slavic. Our genetic roots are primary Ilyrian which is case with rest of the Balkans.
    Btw why should one go back to 'roots' (root is discussable thing, according to that philosophy we should go to ... pagan roots? or homo neanderthalensis stage? If we're supposed to 'go back to roots' why don't you?
     
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    What are you trying to learn Litwin?

    Bosniaks are Muslim also Albanians,

    You don't know anything about islam and muslims around the world. You don't know about the Christin Turks (Gagauz Turks), or Jewish Hazar Turks. For you a Wahabi or a Shia or a Sunni or an Anatolian Alevi is the same they are both Muslim they are devil. While you don't know anything about Islam how you find the right to make comment on it, i really can't understand...

    Even i know much more better about Christianty than your knowledge on Islam i keep far away myself to make comment on it hence not to be unrespectfull and to make wrong comment. You make meanful comments, wrong critics... We have an expression Turkish which decribes you for your comments on it ''to be brave like an ignorant''

    As you know, before Jesus there was no Christianty, all European nations are transformed to Christianty; Some of them by forcing, some of them wanted to use the advantage of it, some of them really beleived (small part). Before Muhammed there were no Islam and people coverted to Islam almost with the same reasons.

    If you come to Turkey you can see many underground cities and caves in middle anatolia that Ancient Greeks used to be protected from Christians not to be converted, after 700 years Christians used to protect themselves from Muslims not to be converted. Also if you wisit the Ephesus region you will able to see the Destroyed Temples by Chrisitans. What i mean even Christianity or Islam are not grown up only with peace!

    Turks were Shaman before Islam, they were beleiving nature. They are also converted to Islam just the same with Albanians, Bosnians, just the same Italians, Greeks, Lithunians 1000 years before or 1000 years later this can't change the reality and this is not bussiness of anybody! Right?

    Let's come to music and Culture; You said this Albanian Music is very Turkish,
    It could be because there is an Ottoman reality and there were Ottoman culture there during 700 years. It wasn't Turkish or Greek or Albanian or Bosnian It was Ottoman. Turkish folk music we have in Turkey now much more different than the music of Central Asian Turks because it also includes other nation's culture it is a mixture.

    For example Greek's national folk music ''Rembetiko'' is a pure Ottoman Music, has figures from Syria, From Istanbul from Anatolia from Athens, from all Ottoman countries. Also we have songs we play at the weddings here in Turkey full of Balkanic melodies it is because of Ottoman mixture culture.

    Listen the national Greek Rembetiko... This was an folk music in Ottoman pool, now Greek National folk.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXJQmTSptCc"]Rembetiko : kaigomai-kaigomai - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    Emir Kusturica
     
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    mythical legends.
     
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    by Andrej Nikolaidis
     
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    Andrej Nikolaidis is just a terrorist supporter who wishes death to anyone who don't agree with him.

    ''it would have been a civilizational step forward if dynamite and rifles had been brought into the room where the 20th anniversary of Republika Srpska was recently celebrated."
    Andrej Nikolaidis


    ''Why Bosnians and Herzegovinians should stay away from Herceg Novi" was published in Slobodna Bosna in which he describes Herceg Novi as a "Chetnik stronghold" and a "demonic city of murderers and insane individuals".''
    Andrej Nikolaidis

    i know he is very popular in Bosnia because he is so primitive and vulgar
     
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    RS is indeed created on genocide. No fact can oppose that statement.
    That is just one side opinion, which is biased. If Kusturica could compliment Karadzic and Mladic, and rest of the crew what would make Nikolaidis less sophisticated than Kusturica?
     
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    LOL,

    that video is shooted in Albania, a failed "state" which pretended to be a member of EU.
     

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