Why Brexit should scare anti-Trump Americans

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  1. Evmetro

    Evmetro Active Member Past Donor

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    He may be out of the loop on which candidate wins, but he is also making it clear that he does not care who picks judges, which makes it clear that he does not care if Hillary wins. Judges are judges, right?
     
  2. sawyer

    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is an excellent point and one I somehow left out. If for no other reason than to stop the supreme Court from becoming a rubber stamp for the leftist agenda, Hillary must be stopped!
     
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    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, you got that completely wrong. If you want to choose or vote for someone who will leave this country much worse when whichever one leaves office than when whichever one entered it. That is your choice. You will have picked your poison by whichever name it goes by, Trump or Clinton, arsenic and cyanide.

    Those of us somewhere between 10-20% who choose a third party candidate and many more who have decided not to vote at all, that is choose between Trump or Clinton is not we who decide either to give this election a pass or vote third party whom are to blame. It is the two major parties which forced this choice upon us.

    Two month ago before either of the parties had chosen their candidates, a poll showed 61% of all Americans wanting the Republicans to nominate someone else other than Trump. 54% of all Americans wanted the Democrats to nominate someone beside Clinton. But the two major parties did what they have always done, they told the majority of Americans to stick it where the sun don't shine. So there is whom to blame if Clinton wins or Trump for that matter.

    If Clinton wins it will be because the Republicans failed to listen to the people and forced Trump on us.

    If Trump wins it will be because the Democrats also failed to listen to the people and forced Clinton on us.

    I can live with the results knowing I didn't have a hand in putting either one of those poisonous individuals into the Oval office. I can however point a finger of blame as to the reason. Trump is the Republican nominee because he received 40% of the vote from a party that makes up 27% of the electorate. That's not quite 11% of the public that who choose him. Even 60% of all Republicans who voted in their primary wanted someone else other than Trump. But Trump was your choice, now live with it. If Hillary wins put the blame right where it lies, look in the mirror.

    Poll after poll show the likes of Kasich, Rubio, Carson and even Bush beating Clinton. Almost every poll, some 50 of them since the first of the year showed Trump losing to Clinton. Either you guys can't read polls or you were more interested in making a statement than winning. No sir, if Clinton wins, look directly at those who chose Trump. There is where the Blame lies.
     
  4. Lil Mike

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    Yeah but when you vote 3rd party in the US you are basically checking out of the political process. It's simply a protest vote so you can put a "Don't Blame Me, I Voted for ______ " on their car bumper.

    There are times to do that, but when you do, you've basically made a decision to not vote.
     
  5. TomFitz

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    I don't need to "understand investing" to understand that the world's financial markets just delivered their verdict on Britain's reckless and divisive act.

    Pretending that that is not the case is ridiculous, and can only be chalked up to cognative dissonance.
     
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    Actually, the stock market in the US peaked in May, and has not hit that peak since. The Dow Jones did not record an all time high the day before as you falsely claim.

    Your attempt to pretend that this is not significant completely ignores the catastrophic drop in the GBP, and the drop in financial markets around the world.
     
  7. Ronstar

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    By November, Britain will be suffering a great deal due to their decision.

    This will make Trump look like a fool.
     
  8. dairyair

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    Trump is the cliff, Hilary is the cliff. Basically the car doors are locked. No way out.
    This is the worst candidates I've seen. Been voting since 1980.
    Hillary is a repeat of the last 16 yrs.
    Trump is just someone who can only make people mad. And we don't need to (*)(*)(*)(*) off all the world, again.

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    Well, you seem to know not what I accept. So you can take your projections and put them someplace.
     
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    No one said perfection. But nothing compared to economic collapse or the entire world in a fight.
    We can can keep moving towards a more kinder world.
    I suppose you are against that?

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    Trump is hardly hardcore conservative. So I doubt he'd nominate a hardcore conservative judge.
    There is a judge up for review now. It may be wise to push that nomination through. It may be the best the right will see.
     
  10. Evmetro

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    There are two kinds of voters. Those who make it happen, and those who it happens to. I hope that he does stay home or vote for somebody who does not count, because his heart leans left.
     
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    Trump is a racist and a liar.

    Brexit will end up helping Hillary in November, as Britain crashes.
     
  12. Evmetro

    Evmetro Active Member Past Donor

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    We have already seen his short list of judges, and it has been blessed by conservatives already
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    yeah but we don't know if Trump will actually Trump is a racist and a liar nominate those judges if/when he becomes President.
     
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    Did you know that chickens breathe through their feet?
     
  15. Johnny-C

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    I agree.

    And I hope MANY people look at the outcomes of radical thinking and such decisions as "Brexit" can/will likely lead to. So many people wanted BIG CHANGE... rather than working HARDER to improve what they had.

    America and other nations are in the same boat in that sense... but making massive changes usually isn't as practical or wise as working on problems in practical and reasoned ways. In my view (and even that of many solid Conservatives) Donald Trump does NOT reflect good logic or wisdom.

    Truly, Mrs. Clinton outclasses Trump in most every way (in comparison). It's obvious to most.
     
  16. Johnny-C

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    As a matter of fact, I'd say that with Clinton and virtually the entire 'Left' being influenced by BOTH Bernie Sanders' and Elizabeth Warren's views... people have a MUCH BETTER opportunity to achieve significant change by taking their side... instead of someone like Trump... who has PROVEN in so many ways, that he is absolutely going to go into FULL TRICKLE-DOWN mode if he is elected. It's virtually a guarantee that he believes in that, as indicated by the few details he has given about the things he seeks to promote as policy.

    BTW... where are Trump's TAXES??!!
     
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    One word, well two actually. Supreme Court!!!!!!! If Hillary is president and gets to stack the court with activist liberal judges that will be there 20 or more years, she and other socialist scum will have a rubber stamp supreme Court to implement their agenda and use the Constitution for toilet paper. Hillary must be stopped!!!!!!
     
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    Agreed. Anger always results in poor decisions.
     
  19. sawyer

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    Wall Street hates uncertainty but when this all shakes out they will love the new order of things and get out of this stagnant stock market of the last two years.Right now is a buying opportunity if you understood the market
     
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    So you are fine with Hillary filling the supreme Court with liberal activist judges? As for knowing what you accept, you used the word "divisive" just the way the left wants you too. A divided government is exactly what the Constitution was meant to instill. It is supposed to be divided with checks s d balances to keep one side or the other from being off to the races. Divisive is not a dirty word as liberals want you to think it is
     
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    To bad the R's didn't think of that during the primaries.
    Oh wait, Cruz was the other option at the end. Trump is better.
    But Kasich would've been the best, but he was never in the race.
     
  22. sawyer

    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You accepted the rose colored glasses description of the last several decades that was attributed to centralized power. I pointed out just a few glaring failures such as the UN sitting by watching genocide in Rhwanda and the fumbling of the ball with NK getting nukes and the rise of global terrorism. You reply basically so what at least the entire world hasn't collapsed. That's a mighty low bar too me.
     
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    In the end, all sides need to find a solution. That doesn't happen.
    Only finger pointing. See my sig. Done on purpose IMO.
    Deep down, the R's and D's protect themselves. The rest is just dog and pony.

    If she wins, I am fine with who she nominates. It's what the R's are wanting.
    They have one now to vote on, they won't bring it up. So they are playing the game of risk.
     
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    Kasich vs Biden would have given us a fine election.
     
  25. dairyair

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    But a far higher bar than the previous 100 yrs or more.
    So I'll take it.

    Seems you want to go back to world wars, depressions, and isolation.

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    or heck, even sanders.
    I want someone outside.
    I certainly don't want another clinton, as bad as the 2nd bush.
    But it is looking like it will be another clinton.
    Shame on the R's for such a lousy choice.
     

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