Why bullying in schools must stop

http://www.politicalforum.com/gay-lesbian-rights/188457-gay-teen-suicide-range-causes.html

The thing is that gay teens are killing themselves in Castro San Francisco, born into and "surrounded by loving support" of their gayness within that gay culture.

This may shed more light on that:

Here's another set of causes of gay teen suicide: [while you're honestly exploring all angles to gay teen suicide, right?

Harvey Milk sexually invaded Jack McKinley when he was 16. Manic-depression and drug use and gay...where where where have I heard that before. Oh! I remember...

So the findings of the Mayo Clinic, the CDC via clinical psychiatrists's publication point to a cyclic and perpetuating phenomenon where adult and teen gays are "turned out" via molestation. The CDC information called the link between "major" depression in gay men and molestation inextricably linked and "an epidemic" among gay men..not just a few isolated cases. This means that endemic to the gay subculture is a subculture that revolves around child predation.

If a gay teen has unwanted homosexual compulsions, even in a vacuum devoid of bullying, that teen has zero options to explore ridding himself of that compulsion. If a therapist helps him, they can lose their license. And indeed gay militants encourage the espionage of these therapists and turning them in SS-style should they dare to brave forward to help a teen out of what must be unbelievable angst..."the feeling of no escape...ever." from the original crime..


Here's the OP scenario from that thread:

A causal agent of gay teen suicide..

And derives his practicing licensing from...

 

That is a political group of gays attempting to strongarm and dictate to professionals "how they should handle specifically gays". Only gay teens are disallowed to explore how being molested as a child may have foisted unwanted sexual complusions on them.

Straight promiscuous girls, for contrast, are encouraged to access therapy for molestation that is known to be inarguably linked to their compulsive orientation [prostitution and promiscuity]. They are encouraged to seek reparative therapy. If they were gay, they could not receive such therapy. Even if they did not want to be gay after having been molested and imprinted by a same gendered assailant that way. That's it. They're stuck. The only therapy they could get was for the promiscuity part, not the gay. That and "loving support" of having their unwanted compulsion. Of note is this suicide by this boy he just announced being overwhelmingly supported, quoting his idol, the male "Lady Gaga' who was "born that way" [in a meat dress?]. Just after announcing how much support he was being showered by, he killed himself.

This is a blatant attempt to keep gay teens gay, whether or not they want to be that way. Whether or not they became that way by sexual imprinting referred to in the 2007 Mayo Cinic report. Whether or not it is causing them "epidemic" and "major depression" linked to suicidal thoughts. Literally, gay militants are encouraging that collatoral damage as preferable to getting to the bottom of their angst...if it means members would defect...

This is a cult folks. A cult is dictating science to licensed therapists and pyschiatrists to keep their victims subdued and obedient. "It gets better"? Apparently it doesn't, if the real root of the issues are disallowed to receive therapy..

 

Obviously excluding people like that... But for you to suggest that that's the prime targets of bullies is disingenuous. From my experience the majority of kids who got bullied were "nerds", "dorks", and obviously handicapped kids. I've never witnessed a handicapped person get bullied but if I ever did I would stand up for them. For the rest they can surely train themselves or if they don't want to rely on their own strength gather tools to do the job proper. Ideally they'd want pepper spray and a tazer but just the spray would do. You soak their face in the special juice and taze them for an unreasonably long amount of time and then justice is yours for the taking. If those are too hard for a teenager to get their hands on (only reason it would be is if they're in a rural area or just not determined/creative enough) there are plenty of other ways surely they can find something around their house.

If more kids did this bullies would start reassessing what exactly their reality is.

 

Create more laws against bullying and those that are apt to be bulled will become more isolated. After a while other kids will not risk breaking the "bully" laws to socialize/get familiar with the "weird" "nerds", "dorks", etc. Not worth their trouble.



At the end of the day, why bully someone, when kids can just ostracized that person?

 

I can't tell if you're serious or not but your predictions would prove a failure. Sure, it would probably deter some people, but there's always those kids who are just born criminals and the risk of penalties entices them even more or they simply don't take it into consideration. And then there's always those bullies who will follow their victims (who walk/take public transportation) after school and get them off campus. If you take bullying away from bullies what will they replace it with? Nothing therefore it won't end.

People who are bullied have a few options:
1. snitch (if you do this on the wrong person this may backfire...)
2. become a fast runner
3. fight
4. if they have friends get back up

Believe it or not not all victims of bullies have no friends. Sometimes they're just at the wrong place at the wrong time and are perceived as weak.

 

Tim is a little kid. He's rambunctious, a little loud and outgoing. He's considered the "cool" kid and is athletic. Bob is an outsider. He's not cool. Instead, he's nerdy... dorky..., etc...

During recess Tim makes fun of Bob by calling him names like "burger" face. Bob gets upset and tells his mommy. His mommy tells the principal. Principal tells Tim's parents about this and tells Tim parents there are "grave" consequences to "bullying"; there are laws against it.. . Tim gets into trouble.

Tim doesn't hang around Bob anymore because he doesn't want to get into anymore trouble. Tim's cool friends notice this and stop hanging around Bob also. As time goes by, Tim is ostracized by virtually every other kid since nobody wants to be involved with such a kid -- after all, Bob's a little weird anyways. When Bob wants to play, nobody will play with him.




Why risk being called a bully, when kids can just ignore the "weirdo's"? Sometime getting ostracized can be a lot worse.... How many kids have committed suicide because they didn't have ANY friends at all? When Tim has a birthday party, do you think Bob will be invited? When Tim's "cool" friends have a party -- will, Bob be invited? Not likely.

 

Probably a lot. There are already disciplinary actions that are taken against bullies and bullying still exists.

 

My daughter was being bullied by a girl in her class. She was shoving her around, pinching her and calling her names. I told her to fight back. This was against school rules of course. I told her to use shock and awe. So as usual one day the girl was bullying her and my daughter hauled off and decked her hard. She used her voice too, loud and menacing, to augment and ground the "lesson". The teacher was shocked because naturally the bully ran crying to her immediately [though always threatened her victims if they did the same, would receive even worse behind the teacher's back]. Naturally I heard about it from the Principal. I calmly explained that she had been bullying my daughter for weeks and deserved it. He gave her some mundane punishment for fighting. They were only in the 2nd grade after all. But ever after that day, that girl never ever challenged my daughter or bullied her again. And what's more, she never did it to anyone else either. She was cured.

Years and years of being counselled, threatened by staff and so forth would never get through to that child. And yet getting socked in the nose harshly and unexpectedly stopped her in her tracks. In less than five seconds that girl learned ten thousand dollars' worth of staff time the lesson that if you bully, one day a victim will fight back and it will hurt, badly.

A funny footnote is that also after this, the girl began to be quite nice to my daughter and they even invited each other to birthday parties and so forth.

Humans are more like monkeys in a troop than people want to let themselves believe. I used to sit with my sister at a zoo and watch the primate cages as she studied for her Master's in anthropology. She had names for all the characters in the various troops and we would laugh at how similar they were to little kids at school. There needs to be a dominance struggle it seems among kids. It's just when it gets out of hand that the adults should step in. And indeed it was the same way with the monkeys. The little skirmishes between the squabbling youngsters the parents would glance over at with a bored look and turn back to their grooming. Usually it was one-on-one stuff...tests of strength and tenacity. But when a bunch of them would gang up on one and the one would start screaming in pain, one or several of the adults would come rushing over and backhand the perps good and sound. Sometimes if they were bad enough they would get flung across the cage by an angry adult.

In this way the monkeys sort out their heirarchy and the troop functions as a unit without a lot of time wasted in sorting out dominance later on when the adults really need to act as a unit with a head, body and appendages to confront other troops.

 

Huh? Rephrase or explain please.

 

Well, that part of RiseAgainst's post - "those kids who are just born criminals" - I do agree with... sociopaths, people who are born w/o a conscience. Sociopathic tendencies can show up in childhood when the child tortures animals. I don't mean picking a cat up by the tail and swinging it around, but literally torture it by setting it on fire, etc..... cruelty to animals is one definite signs of sociopath.

Kids who deliberately kill another kid or a sibling. There was one case and can't remember names of them and it happened in another country. 2, I think they were 10 yr old boys lured another much younger boy - 5 or so - away from his mother in a store and took him out and murdered him.......

Another case I read about awhile back - a couple adopted a boy when he was a toddler, I think. Anyway as he got older, he got worse. Very violent, out of control and reeked of hatred for everyone. One nite their house caught on fire, but the firefighters were able to put it out pretty fast. A fireman found a note "I'm sorry I had to kill you" (or words to that effect) ....... written by the adopted kid......

Unfortuntately, there's a lot of those kids out there........

 

I don't think anyone should be throwing punches around on school property, even if they are a victim of bullying, and punishing those who do, even bully's victims, is nothing new. 25 years ago, I saw students getting suspension for fighting a bully during school.

I don't agree that Zero Tolerance should extend beyond school property. Today taking the fight home and kick the bully's ass in your own back yard can land you in as much trouble in school as doing it in school. That's just ridiculous.

 

Good example of just a one-time incident and how it turned around the life of the potential bully. Good for your daughter and glad to see that they built a friendship later on......

My oldest daughter had a similar experience as yours. She was 9 and a neighbor girl was always heckling & hasseling her about stuff. My daughter had a quiet, easy-going personality & didn't know how to handle her. She just wasn't born to be a fighter.... then one day I happened to look out the window to see this girl approach mine, said something, then slapped my kid across the face - I was even more shocked to see my kid haul off and slap her hard across her face! That ended the harrassment - the neighbor kid stayed away from mine after that.....

One thing I had stressed to my kids starting in their young yrs on how to handle difficult situations w/another kid was to 'kill them w/kindness'..... it had sometimes worked for me where I turned animosity from some gal into civility and in some cases, we ended up being friends - but that doesn't always work w/everyone...... some people just love to hate......

 

Every time I think I have seen the STUPIDEST POSSIBLE POST, soimething like this pops up. Ye gods.

Violence is USUALLY the answer. The surest way to stop a bully is to put him in the hospital.

 

Actually, the nastiest bullies I ever dealt with had parents (and often siblings) that beat the crap out of them regularly.

 

There's a blue moon?

Violence is usually the end result, however, it's not the best answer.

Incorrect. It is merely one way, but certainly not the best way.

 

And your solution is to perpetuate the violence:

Let's all hope there's a blue moon soon.

 

You were beaten to a pulp every day in school, weren't you. (That's not a question.)

 

They write their own rules.

 

My mistake. You're correct. I was going off of other people' claims even though it's an unreliable source...

 

Nope. Was never bullied, thankfully.

Actually, the "weren't you" part of your sentence does imply a question, however, the omission of the question mark at the end makes it somewhat ambiguous.

It would have been better to approach it this way:

"You were beaten to a pulp every day in school, weren't you? (That's a rhetorical question.)"

Include the question mark, and then add the 'rhetorical question' qualification.

Makes it a lot clearer.

 

Don't raise your kid to be a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*).

Problem solved

The end.

 

Yep, that's certainly a much better solution.

 

Sound like the jewish anti-defication league can go after the bullies and sue their familys for making fun of the jewish kid. I guess the parents played victim so much, the kid started doing the same, and when he got not response, he just went the extra green mile.

 

...I don't agree with being punished for defending yourself...do you know that if someone comes to stab you in prison and you defend yourself that you will get punished with solitary confinement just like the attacker?...so, basically what the prison personal want you to do is stand there getting stabbed without lifting a finger...you might die, but it's the rules...



Kabuki Joe

 

Well now, you shouldnt be in prison to begin with - DUH!