Why bullying in schools must stop

Hmmm .... sounds like you hit a nerve and they didn't like it.......

 

for one thing, it appears you have obviously never ben in this girls position. Also, the action you have just described is an absolutely retarded way of dealing with the problem. You wanna make a bully cry? bring mini bat in your backpack and after school when he tries to corner you, smack him him the jaw with it .

 

Wow.

I can understand people being upset that bullying drove this kid to suicide but you cannot make standard school yard pissing matches into felony hate crimes. That is taking it way to far.

 

I used to get bullied from time to time in middle school. But for some reason many of my friends were 6+ feet tall giants (I'm short..) so I'd just let them know about it and the problems naturally "worked themselves out" . Then highschool came around and my situation changed and no longer had this protection.

So there was this one bully who just would not leave me alone in art class. He started off as just an annoying (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*), and I didn't perceive him as a threat and would just tell him to ****. Then one day he started getting belligerent, taking my pencil while I was drawing, calling me names, and finally told me to go sit somewhere else or else he'd forcefully remove me from my seat and that I didn't know what I was dealing with. Keep in mind I've never actually had to stand up for myself before this and had no experience in self-defense whatsoever. I told him I'm not going anywhere and I can't be held responsible for his actions. So he goes on to tell me that he's been in 7 fights and never lost one. I said I've never been in a fight in my life and hate violence but if you proceed forward you're about to lose a fight because you're pissing me off and I don't foresee myself to lose a fight against you when I'm this heated.

So he proceeds to stand up and pull my chair out from under me, I stand up reflexively as he swings a punch at me (this is when I blacked out, I seriously snapped like a crazy person screaming expletives such as "you want my mother (*)(*)(*)(*)ing seat now you little (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)" ) . I grabbed his first punch with my left hand, hit him twice with my right, put my foot behind his leg, pushed him on the ground, hovered over him and just went to town on his face for about 13 more punches. I would've kept going until he was dead (again, I blacked out, I didn't want to kill him but I seriously was not in control of my body) but the teacher called security immediately and they came and pulled me off of him. I was left untouched and his entire face was bloody and my friend said he saw him in the bathroom spitting out some teeth. We both got expelled and the ambulance came for him immediately and his mother pledged to sue my parents for all they're worth.

The principle had a word with me in his office and had the following to say: "Now, look, you are a better man than I was as a kid. This boy has been causing trouble for years at this school. You are not his first victim. I would've killed that son of a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*). Now I'll tell you what I am going to do, his parents want to sue you and I'm not going to let that happen, I have some power you know. I am going to file this confrontation as a mutual conflict, meaning you were both at fault. I don't want to do this but I have to expel both of you. You have been a good student and I want to keep you but the rules are rules." The bullies friends, believe it or not, thanked me for my heroic acts. They said they've wanted to do the same to him for some time and just didn't have it in them.

So yes, in my experience victims of bullies should have the right to stand up for themselves and if they're overpowered or outnumbered heroes should have the right intervene between a victim and their bully/ies. No question about it. BTW I've never been in a fight since then and I am proud of myself for teaching that naive boy a valuable lesson that day. If he's not a complete moron I was the last person he tried to bully.

 

Once any bullying has been escalated to violence, it has already gone too far.

Let the violent ones feel the full force of the law, I say.

 

I miss the days when you could just whip their ass.

 

You would have been weeded out by nature in the days before civilized society.

 

Difficult to say actually, because my attitude would have been much different "in the days before civilized society".

Thankfully, we are now living in a more enlightened time. As such, I treat all forms of violence with the contempt it so rightly deserves.

 

Some bullies can be vicious. I remember coming back to school after a suicide attempt, and the people I thought were my 'friends' told me that I must have been pretty stupid because 'you didn't even do it right'. Can't tell you how much that hurts.

The bullies in this story are disgusting human beings, and I wonder where their parents are! Obviously they don't have a big parental influence in their lives or else they wouldn't be such vindictive menaces.

 

Not enlightened. Just much weaker and more cowardly. If we were truly enlightened, we would be making an effort to live in harmony with our nature instead of trying to deny it.

Just as the strict demands of the Catholic church drove sexually frustrated gay/pedophile priests to molest children, so too does the quelling of violence spawn unhealthy displays of rage and aggression.

You see, violence is natural. It exists in every species in one form or another. It's a part of who we are by design. It is the human ego that prefers to believe it is "above" such things. But just like sex, when violence is not expressed at the appropriate time in the appropriate manner (i.e. for self-defense), it becomes suppressed until it finally expells itself in a much more destructive way.

 

Resorting to violence is actually a sign of weakness.

 

Only to the man who is too afraid to defend himself.

 

Wow you tried to commit suicide? That is so weak. I've been depressed to the point where I wanted to die many times in the past and I soldiered on. I feel no sympathy for the most selfish action anyone can commit: Suicide. But I do have strong empathy for those who see the world through the filters of their head up their ass (not saying this about you, just a random statement).

 

Really? Read my story and tell me that. If I didn't "resort to violence" I would have gotten my ass kicked by a total stranger whom I didn't even provoke. There is such thing as self-defense you know. With liberals self-defense means one punch for punch, how stupid is that. With certain people if you just hit them once that will only aggravate them and could put your life in danger. You need to immobilize them; neutralize the threat.

 

It doesn't seem weak at the time, though. It takes a tremendous amount of courage.
But sometimes, you see the brighter side of life and decide to stick around and see if things look up.
They did, and over ten years later, here I am.

The problem is that so many people just can't be patient and wait for life to improve. It does!

 

Liberals banished God from the public schools and now they have Satan instead.

What did you expect?

 

If it wasn't a weak and pathetic cry for attention, your friends were right, you would've been successful. And if it wasn't a sign of weakness you would've been strong enough (if not then, at least now as a more mature adult) to, while being offended by your friends comments, understand where they are coming from. The reason some people seem insensitive about people who cry for attention (the only time suicide attempts aren't a desperate cry for attention is when the next day they don't go blabbing to everyone about what happened, if anything, they'd stay silent out of shame and just talk to their parents/siblings and/or a shrink) with bogus suicide attempts is because they've been in positions in life where they could see themselves killing themselves but they actually, you know, aren't selfish and care about what impact that will have on those who love them after leaving them behind.

 

Uncle Meat, on some level you agree with me. Whether or not you realize it or are willing to admit it. If I'm sitting there beating your ass, showing no sign of stopping, you're not going to just sit there and take it because you think "violence is a sign of weakness." You're going to fight back. And that's okay. You're supposed to. Because it's your natural response to being attacked in order to ensure your survival. And there is a good possibility that I'm going to severely injure or kill you if you don't do something to protect yourself.

This is where you holier than thou neo-Gandhi pacifists get it wrong. Not all violence is the same. There is a world of difference between attacking someone unprovoked and defending yourself from an unprovoked attack. In Darwinian terms, if you are not defending yourself in some fashion when you are being attacked, then there is something wrong with you because your will to survive is being compromised.

 

That is your opinion, and you are entitled to it, but one really shouldn't have an opinion on the issue of suicide unless you have a personal experience with it.
I have experienced it, and I can tell you that it sucks. Some people do it for attention, but most people don't. It's basically a cry for help because they are unable to tell anyone what it wrong.

 

I do have experience with depression. You wanted to die yes? I've been there several times sometimes for prolonged periods of time. You don't need to commit a selfish deed to know it's selfish. Some people with certain IQ levels (probably 80+...) have this incredible ability to carry out events in their imaginations and experience the effects of said events without actually having to suffer the consequences in real life. You are not special darling depression is fairly common.

 

I believe it IS a selfish act, but at the time, you don't think that. Its only afterward.

I don't know if the boy in the OP felt that way, but I'd imagine he killed himself because he was too ashamed of the bullying to tell someone about it.

 

Oh well. He was meant to die. Life is a lot harder than surviving insults. I have no sympathy for him and it's people like you who restrict his ability to empower himself and overcome verbal and physical attacks.

 

I am not restricting anything, and I don't think the kid should be shrugged off because he made a choice you don't agree with.

 

So what political action do you want to be done about this unfortunate event? Maybe anyone who says hurtful things from now on should just face criminal charges? That's it. Some of the same people calling for that cry about how overcrowded our prisons are.

 

The bullies should be either suspended or expelled from the school, for a start. If schools took a tougher stand against bullies, maybe there would be less of it.