Why bullying in schools must stop

Jamey Rodemeyer's Bullies Cheer 'We're Glad You're Dead' At Homecoming

This is beyond despicable. If anyone cannot see why there should be a zero tolerance at schools for any types of bullying, then quit frankly you are not a human being.

Its bad enough that bullies sent a kid to commit suicide, now the kids must chant ‘You’re better off dead!’ and ‘We’re glad you’re dead!'? This is the kinds of values we are teaching our children? Despicable.

 

...the best way I learned while growing up to deal with a bully was punch them in the mouth...but thanks to people like you that can't be done anymore...people like you have criminalized violence so bad that the bullies are now protected, unlike when I grew up you could at least fight back...you women only make things worse!...



Kabuki Joe

 

I feel any kid who is found of bullying should be expelled and colleges they apply to are informed. This would lower some bullying (at least those bullies that are college bound would stop).

 

Schools are breeding grounds for peer abuse. No one gets out unscathed, no one.

These kids are disgusting and I agree schools should do their best to stop this kind of thing when it occurs. But there should be no rule, no legislation, no directive, compelling schools to police (*)(*)(*)(*)ty children. Were I the principle of that particular school and the perps could be identified, I would give them one week in school suspension and make them write a 10,000 word essay on good manners.

Zero tolerance = BS rules = school out of control instead of kids.

 

Ohhh thats just great. Lets promote violence to stop bullying.

 

Exactly, bullying will always happen, it's one of those "is what it is" kind of situations. Gone though are the days when you could just handle it in the school yard after class, and teachers having paddles hanging in their classrooms.

Bullying is wrong, and shouldn't happen, and these kids should face consequences, but they are NOT at fault for the kids suicide, they didn't pull the trigger. It all, again, comes down to the parents. Look at all the legislation now brought about by bullying...has it stopped? No. Has it made it any better? No. But now there is a zero tolerance policy for bullies AND their victims. Kids who are bullied are now (*)(*)(*)(*)ed if they do, (*)(*)(*)(*)ed if they don't, they get in just as much trouble as the bully if they defend themselves....Lord forbid if they actually knock a bully in the nose.

Parents need to become more involved in their kids lives, and set better examples. But instead they let TV and video games babysit their kids, and family time and family dinners have been replaced with TV trays and fast food.

What's happened is lack of accountability, and it's always someone elses fault, and "oh no, my kid wouldn't do that, not little Billy". Bullsh*t.

If I were a principal, I would sit the bullies down in my office and have a little come to Jesus meeting with them and their parents. I would then tell them that if they are caught bullying one more time, they are expelled.

It's up the parents to teach their kids morals and discipline.

One thing my Grandma told me when I was younger, and I still abide by this to this very day is "You can't control what someone else does, or does to you. All you can do is control how YOU react"

 

Bullying will happen.

I think what most effective thing a school can do is form a student organization that strives to prevent bullying. Just as bullies can have a very strong negative affect on an abused student, a group of peers' support can have a very strong positive effect.

The "no bullying" campaigns are on the right track, but it really won't be stopped until students stand up for each other and/or it becomes uncool to bully.

 

Thanks to zero tolerance, they get in trouble.

 

...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...ok, so let me ask you this, how are you, rsnostones199 going to stop a bully from bullying you?...that's right, with nostones you can't, and you will need the government to make it so...that's the difference between people like me and people like you, I'll take care of it on my own, while you get your teeth kicked in while you wait for help from 911...you are what the US Government is striving for, BAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH says the sheep...our founding fathers would be disgusted by you and your kind...


Kabuki Joe

 

Do you often scrap your knuckles on the ground when you walk?

 

Sad story, those kids are trash.

Bullying is every parents nightmare. I have a son with various disabilties, and I worry about him daily. I keep telling him someday it gets better. As people mature they tend to be less judgemental and cruel about things..but the school years are tough.

Certainly not all of us Stones, but theres alot of garbage in America today.

 

^^ best reply of the thread so far.

 

Stones I know you and I go back and forth on other issues, and dont agree on alot...but there are times when everyone is on the same page.

 

Some of the people who scrap their knuckles when they walk should read and comprehend the above.

Not everyone is capable of standing up for themselves. Kids with disabilities more than likely will not be able to fight back. Gay teens who get ganged up on, wont be able to fight back. Do you honestly thin the sister of the gay teen who committed suicide could fight back?

Stand up for those who cant stand up for themselves. It would make for a better society.

 

if the kid wasn't gay you would not care

 

This particular post, I do agree with.

 

BRAVO!!!!! Exactly right... we have had the left make it so we cannot smack a bully down.

I grew up with a nickname of "Rocky" from birth. It came because I have the same name as my Dad and Grandfather. Now, I also started school a year early, so I was a year smaller. How does everyone think that went?

I was in my first real fight by the 3rd grade. By the time I got out of middle school I had about a dozen fights. I never initiated the conflict, but I almost always initiated the first punch or take down. I grew up to be 6' and in solid shape from a lot of working out, surfing, and basketball... bullies stopped messing with me at about age 17.

After I had a state champion wrestler move in next door and adopt me as his training partner during my freshman year in high school it became clear that some real training makes a huge difference.

My son is 9 and moving forward in Jujitsu/Muay Thai at an excellent pace. I would recommend this course of action for all parents/guardians if possible. I tell my son that not only is he never to start a conflict, but that he is also to stick up for those that are being picked on. Even if the guy is bigger. In his class he has little issue as he is one of the bigger kids.

The school is private, but you are NOT expelled for fighting. They have not had a fight in 3 years... very unlike public schools.

 

Holy crap!? Odumba wanting to make it a felony hate crime?

Lunch money bullies doing hard time. Make fun of the kid with big ears or freckles...you are going to the pen!

 

Why would you make fun of the kid with big ears or freckles to begin with?

 

What kind of values are we teaching our children? That's a very good question. Because the days of standing up for yourself and not being pushed around are now a thing of the past. Today we encourage our children to be timid and passive and sensitive and weak. And when the inevitable jerks of life appear such as these cowards who were chanting, "We're glad you're dead," we teach our kids to run and tattle to somebody to go make more rules to punish the bad guys instead of teaching them to stand up for themselves and solve their own problems. This is how you grow up. By learning to take care of yourself. And we are literally robbing our children today of extremely valuable life lessons by babying them instead of helping them to grow strong and capable and self-sufficient.

What I want to know about this kid who killed himself is where were his parents? Where was his dad, specifically? And what kind of influence did he have on his life? Because that is a primary function of fatherhood. Ensuring that your seed is strong enough to survive in the world without parental help to ensure that your genetics do not get weeded out of existence.

Jerks have been around since the dawn of time. And they will always be with us, unfortunately. No amount of rules, laws, or restrictions that you can ever dream up will ever do away with them. Which is why zero tolerance bully programs create more problems than they solve. The goal should not be to create a bully free environment but rather to nurture our kids into learning how to deal with bullies when they appear. Because school bullying is nothing more than a training simulator for real life. I'm sure everyone on this forum knows a bully today as an adult. Because bullies never go away. They don't disappear after school. They're all over the place. And if you don't learn how to deal with them, they will push you around and make you miserable your entire life.

This incident is definitely a tragedy and the jerkoffs who did the chanting and the initial bullying are certainly scumbags. You won't get any argument from me on that one. I completely agree with you. But bullying, itself, is not the problem. It's our children's inability to take care of themselves that MUST be fixed if we are ever to stop things like this from happening in the future.

 

Why didn't the kid who killed himself not kill whoever was bullying him? He was only 14, he must have known he'd only serve a few years, but either way this topic would still be alarmist bull(*)(*)(*)(*) about "What values are we giving our children!?" You can't win with doomsayers.

And those are the only ****ers on this forum apparently.

 

People need to learn that violence can stop violence. I have had some trouble before, but once I hit them, it usually stopped. Some I had to really hurt for them to stop. But it never stopped by raising my hand and calling for a teacher. I have seen kids get bullied and did nothing but cry. The bullying kept on happening. One of my friends kept it a secret that they were being bullied, until I saw it happen right in front of me. I then beat the bully up. After that, the bullying stopped.

This zero tolerance crap is stupid. Kids need to learn to take care of themselves. There isn't always going to be someone to help them. It is true that some people aren't able to defend themselves, but hopefully there is someone who is courageous enough to defend the weak.

 

yes, an emotionally distraught girl would totally have been able to beat up multiple girls/boys all ganging up on her....

you need to think.

when its just an individual who is bullying you its one thing, and usually a good smack in the head makes em stop, but when the bully has a posse or there's a group it brings it to a whole new level and your practically helpless.

 

Absolutely..... I had taught my kids that I had better not find out that they had started a fight, but they had every right to finish one....... my son in his teens ended up finishing quite a few fights, not just in his defense, but also others. When he saw someone being bullied, he would end the bullying w/the bully running away w/a sore ass........

I didn't know he was doing this until his friends mothers, friends of mine, told me. I talked to him about it, he told me about the bullying and he wasn't going to stand there and watch........

I HATE violence, but when it came to my 15,16,17 yr old son planting himself b/t the bully & the victim..... that's when a mother has to back away and let him help out someone who can't fight back....

 

I thought the prisons were full enough? Why would you want to flood them with kids who made fun of someones freckles?

Will this Odumba initiative be a three strike felony law? First two freckles teasings just carted off....taunting of a little girl with pigtails as the third and you are gone for good.