Why do atheists think that religious people are delusional?

Yeah, and if before the universe existed, OTHER universes existed, then kinetic energy could have existed alongside potential energy there the same as it does here. Perhaps you are not understanding that I am saying that it would be the SAME energy from that other universe which was doing the same thing there before it came here. Does that clear anything up? I'm grasping at straws here, because I honestly don't know what your confusion is about.

 

Your argument is a straw argument, as you cannot prove an 'if' condition that cannot be replicated or even validated.

 

Certainly not in anything that requires books written by man in order to tell other "men" what to do.

 

Looks like another case of infinite regression. I guess all that ever existed according to you were universes.

 

Ah yes, so you do understand. All that ever existed were universes. Is it infinite regression? I guess that depends upon whether you consider conservation laws to be infinite regression. The energy that exists today exists because it existed yesterday (and cannot be created nor destroyed), and it existed yesterday because it existed the day before that (and couldn't be created or destroyed then either). So yes, I suppose it is a form of "infinite regression", but it is one that we have ample scientific evidence for.

 

And it could be that 'energy' is just another substitute word for 'God'.

 

Completely irrelevant. There is a big difference between saying energy always existed, and universes always existed.

 

Why did you rule out The Flying Spaghetti Monster?

 

Or the Russells Teapot for that matter. According to another poster in another thread (stated just a short while ago) the FSM no longer exists... it was consumed at a festival of some sort.

 

Well, spaghetti is a human delicacy- and thus a creation- so it cannot be considered the ultimate Creator.

Seriously, is this the best atheists have to offer?

 

If your deaf, I can't help that. There are near infinite possiblilities.
You claim God always existed. Not different than energy always existing. And there is a strong likelihood, nothing never was.

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Potential energy has existed and will exist forever. There is always some potential.

 

Why are you purposely being so ignorant? Why?
I've mentioned to you at least 3 times now about potential energy. Each and every time you ignore. Potential energy exists and will always exist.

 

Another ridiculous argument. If God exists, and is eternal, the obviously, he didn't create something from nothing.
Think before you post.

 

How is it not made up. When nothing can be proven, and you claim it is an absolute, it is made up.
Not rocket science. It is made up.

 

Then you should have no problem relieving all of us of the 'if'. Show us God or else you are just using 'if' to the most of the rest of the world.

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Could be. But Goomba, being out of his league, has tried to rule that out.

 

So what? If potential energy always existed, then how could kinetic energy possibly arise when an object is always at rest???

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Um, why is that obvious?

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Not when we consider that everything is energy.

If nothing ever was, we wouldn't be here.

 

Who said everything is always at rest? No one.

Seriously? If God exists, then obviously, something has existed and nothing has never existed. Come on man, think.

There is no doubt you are out of your league or don't have a clue what you post. I'm not even into this figuring out what the origin is about. But, if God is eternal, then obviously something has always existed. You just try to make a further claim and make it something that a book you like explains it all.
And how do you know, if nothing ever was we wouldn't be here. That is simply a statement limited and closed mindedness.


If nothing ever was, we wouldn't be here.

 

You said potential energy always existed. An object has to be in motion for kinetic energy to form. As long as an object has potential energy, it is at rest.

What does this have to do with your claim that God did not create something from nothing?

Uh, because nothing is the absence of anything. Nada. Zilch.

What do holy books have to do with anything? If God always existed, then He obviously created everything that we may or may not know of.

 

Potential energy has to always exist.
If God has always existed and is eternal, as you claim. Then it is impossible for nothing to exist. For you claim at least God has existed.
Are you claiming God is nothing? If not, then something has always existed. Never a nada or zilch.

 

Then how does kinetic energy enter the picture?

Naturally. The only alternative is energy popping out of nothingness.

 

My use of the 'if' statement is usually to this extent: "if grasshoppers carried 45 caliber pistols, birds would likely not mess with them.", and then only to exercise a little sarcasm toward the 'if' statement of one of the non-theists. So, I clearly recognize that the 'if' statement is only a play on and through the imagination of man.

What Goomba says and what I say are most often not the same.... so what point are you trying to make other than expressing another straw argument?

 

What is your faith? Where does it come from?

 

The fact that something exists, or something binds all dispersing forces is an interesting statement for believers; in fact it is out of place to say there is only void in the universe. Or else what is about us, humans? We exist and there maybe some other entities that enabled us to exist. Atheism is based on logic and logic suffers its own limitations. Maybe we can ignore sacred books, or what is written in the Bible, the Koran or in the Vedas about God and many unscientific, illogical descriptions about heaven or hell or some illimitable powers some deities do possess. But there is something to clutch on to for all of us, a base, a support that endorses the fact there is something that hold all of us.

 

Certainly not from anything that requires books written by man in order to tell other "men" what to do.

What my faith is or is not is none of your business.

 

It was a Communion of sorts