Why do gays care what their sexuality is?

I am inclined to agree with your post, but would appreciate it if you could define for us what you mean by "involved", with a more concrete example of a time when you were asked to be "involved" and characterized as a "hater" for your refusal.

 

The same reason most Americans think that they should be proud of being an American.

Personally, don't beleive in national pride, ethnic pride, or gay/straight pride. Pride should be reserved for something that is achieved by your own power and should never be assoicated with an in-born trait.

 

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but being proud to be an American is an all inclusive group. It's not gay American, or American plumbers, or American fly fishermen. No sir, there is nothing more inclusive than being an American

 

My neighbor wanted to regale me with his most recent sexual experiences in graphic detail. When I would tell him I wasn't interested and didn't want to hear it, he would respond that I would want to hear it if he was straight and I was a homophobe.

I told a friend that I am adamant that gay couples had a constitutional right to equal protection under the law. On that point, I am absolute. I said that the insistence on the part of some to have the word parriage apply and not go with equal protection in a civil union was stupid. I was told I didn't understand, which is true, and was again a homophobe.

Most recently, my saying that Dan Savage was an adolescent bully who was elevated to the national spotlight by a sycophantic inompetent president got me the homophobe label again.

After wahile, homophobe, like racist, becomes meaningless.

 

Sure there is. Being a global citizen. Far more inclusive, and less self serving.

 

have fun with that one

American and darn proud

 

Not saying you shouldn't be, but there are certainly more inclusive groups. Your post was simply false.

 

Because they're repressed based on their sexuality.

 

---A "type" of people will coalesce when harassed. It's the only reason why Jews, whom compose an incredibly small fraction of the global population, are so successful. I wonder why someone with an avatar that reads "real Americans defend Israel" would fail to observe that simple fact. Are you trolling?

 

Why do straight people care about the sexuality of gay people so much?

 

---Probably because a lot of people have had homosexual thoughts in some point in their life.

 

The whole anti-gay movement and the main, non religious, reason for denying gay marriage is that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice and not a sexual orientation. The people that are born gay take offense to this.

 

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Time to sweep out the stupid again, I see.

Homosexuality is primarily defined by many dictionaries in terms of attraction/desire/orientation, with behavior being a secondary definition.

If you mean that people who couple with someone of the same sex are making a choice that plays a role in their lifestyle, I think that's a fair statement, if a bit narrow as it ignores the role attraction plays in this choice. On the other hand, if you mean (as many biased persons seemingly do) that homosexuality is the choosing of a lifestyle, as if it were the very definition of a lifestyle, then you're way off base.

As for the idea of homosexuality being a lifestyle choice and not a sexual orientation, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that English isn't your first language.

sexual = "1) Relating to the instincts, physiology, and activities connected with physical attraction or intimate contact between individuals. 2) Of or relating to the two sexes or to gender."

orientation = "The determination of the relative position of something or someone", such as the direction in which the front of a building faces.

Thus, "sexual orientation" is, roughly speaking, the direction in which one's interests lie relative to one sex or the other. So regardless of whether you think 'homosexuality' is a chosen 'lifestyle' (ridiculous as that idea is), or view it in terms of a possibly inborn attraction toward the same-sex expressed through matching behavior, either way it's still a sexual orientation: the direction of interest (or lack thereof) as it relates to another's sex.

Meaning matters. People who think otherwise embarrass themselves by making ridiculous statements, like saying that something isn't an orientation when it clearly is, regardless of what one considers to be the driving force behind it (conscious decision making versus an attraction beyond one's ability to choose it).

 

not really. orientation to a gender is an inherent lie. gender is its self a socially constructed fiction so how could reversed gender be any less of a fiction.

 

It's your contention that there is no difference between the sexes, then?

I have no idea what you mean by "reversed gender".

 

gender is a socially constructed fiction, reversed gender is no less of a lie.

 

This is unresponsive gobbledy-gook.

 

gender is a socially constructed fiction, reversed gender is no less of a lie.

 

It's still unresponsive gobbledy-gook. You have made the claim that "gender is a socially constructed fiction".

Define for us what you mean by gender. Then provide us with facts that support this claim. Then tell us how this relates in any way to my actual points.

Until you do, I'm going to feel free to ignore your reptition of this one-liner, unsupported assertion as nothing more than ill-disguised trolling.

 

I think Dagdagg was actually agreeing with you when they said "the people that are born gay take offense to this".

 

Ah, an issue of reading comprehension. My apologies to Dagdagg, then. My points otherwise still stand as directed toward the argument that "homosexuality is a lifestyle choice and not a sexual orientation", even if that wasn't Dagdagg's own argument.
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Sexual orientation - A person's sexual identity in relation to the gender to which they are attracted; the fact of being heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual.

 

Gender doesn't matter, sex is what matters - man are XY, women are XX, it's scientific fact. Try arguing with science.

 

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