The original post of this thread is "why do males have an abortion opinion?" An "opinion." Can anyone say "thought police?"
Well, you know why. For biological reasons. It's women who become pregnant so therefore women have choices that men don't. Just as a man can choose to become sterile by having a simple snip in a clinic, yet a woman must undergo a major operation. The woman doesn't have any such rights. Such rights don't exist. It is the children who have rights. They have the right to be financially supported by their parents whenever possible. Both parents can agree to give up that responsibility, but the wishes of one cannot override the wishes of the other. There are no double standards. That's the only thing that would need to be addressed. You want fathers to be free of supporting their children. How would that cure any double standards? In which case, any agreements would have to take place before the sperm is donated and accepted. Having a born child makes you a parent.
The sperm is donated when you have consensual sex with someone either knowing that the male does not want to have a child with you or have no idea whether they would want to and upon discovery of pregnancy they opt out. The woman then still has the choice of whether or not she would like to raise the child alone, give the baby up for adoption, or have an abortion. I find it ridiculous you should think it to be otherwise and call yourself pro-choice. I feel that the woman should have the overriding vote on whether to abort, but in an optimal situation two adults would sit down and decide what course of action to take in a major life decision for BOTH of them. Having a born child in no way makes you a parent, I find that comment insulting. Parenting takes dedication as they are the person(s) who provide care and unconditional love for you, and that's why it should be a choice.
That's his risk, not hers. If a man knows he doesn't want to be a father then he should wear a condom and use spermicidal jelly. Do everything he can to ensure it doesn't happen. That is his right. After sex, his body is no longer involved. There is nothing he can do to his body to prevent or end a pregnancy. His part is over. Surely you know this? What rights can he be given that will allow him to prevent himself becoming a father? A woman is able to terminate an unwanted pregnancy because it's her body that's involved. Not for any other reason. She doesn't have rights he doesn't have.
I don't understand why you think a woman should be able to say right now is not a good time for me to have a child and a man can't. They both took the same risk to prevent against pregnancy when they engaged in their consensual sex. Might make the decision process a little more thoughtful for the woman but even with this option for men woman would still have more rights has the man would not be able to prevent her from having an abortion if she choose to do so. I think your logic is skewed if you think that a man should have no choice whether or not to be held responsible for a pregnancy he does not want to got through with, but a woman should have multiple options.
Wait a minute! If Giftedone is right (and he is,... just ask him) a Human zygote produced by even consenual sex is "not a person." Not a "child,..." etc.! The cells produced by sex are just cells that are "potential" children. This lets the men completely off the hook! Oh my gawd,... this is BEAUTIFUL! So,... a zygote created at conception,... with a couple of cells that MIGHT form the placenta,.. (MIGHT NOT,... who knows) and according to all the pro-aborts here is NOT "A human"etc.... WOW! The synapsis are firing.... "How can the man (a mere sperm donor) be held MORE responsible for a life created,.... than the woman is?" Clearly,... when it comes to mandating child support and all,...our laws already recognize the biological fact that "life (and the responsibility for a life created) begins at conception!" I love it! Thank you thank you thank you! for this epiphany!
Do current laws mandate that the male counter part contribute to the cost of the pregnancy? I don't think so? Child support is the right of the child,the born child. I was asking what would be the difference from the woman going to a sperm bank, the offspring from that pregnancy does not have the right to child support from the male sperm donor.
Well said. That is an interesting point and one worth discussing. I was thinking about it last night when you first raised the issue. Have not formed an opinion on it yet. Will let you know.
That isn't true. A man can say that very thing. I've not claimed he can't. For biological reasons. A man has no responsibilities towards a pregnancy. It doesn't cost him anything in his money or time.
Yes. Yes As far as being pregnant is concerned, yes. His life and well being is not at risk. That's right. He's only responsible for his born children...and not MORE... Equally. But they don't!! Now do you understand? Glad to be of service.
If only all the other pro-abortionists were as honest as you LIL! Repworthy! The deadbeat dads of the world are gonna LOVE you!
I'm flattered you seem think I'm all powerful, but the fact men don't ever become pregnant is nothing to do with me.
I never said I didn't see the pro-life side as having their valid points. There are fundamental differences in the two sides perspective's that will forever cause them to be divided. Much like any debate topic... but I guess if we all saw things the same way there wouldn't be much point to this forum or any debate. In current day abortion is legal, do you think that a man should be afforded a choice as well and be able to rescind responsibility/ rights of a child if he chooses to do so upon discovery of the pregnancy?
Your not making an argument. For biological reasons he can not have the final say on the abortion, ok, but what is your argument that he can't he have a say on whether or not he chooses to raise/ support the child. Why does a woman get that choice and not the man?
She doesn't get the choice on whether she raises a child. If she is the parent of a child, she has to help raise it. The same as a man.
In light of an epiphany I had earlier today,.... I would like to think a little longer on your question. - Chuz
I believe she does, as she is the one who gives birth, therefore she is making a choice to raise a child or not...
