She doesn't do it on her own. Think about it. She only has a choice to make if a man is involved in the first place. His choices are limited to before sex happens. A woman has choices afterwards - not because if an unjust law, but because the potential child is growing inside her body. Her body, her choice. There are no double standards. It isn't possible for a man to kill an embryo that is inside the body of a woman without causing her harm. He can do nothing to prevent his child being born because his body is not involved. Why do you not understand that simple fact? When her body isn't involved, a potential father has equal rights to the potential mother of his child. Frozen embryos belong equally to both potential parents. One cannot use them without permission from the other.
Beyond the decision on whether to carry the pregnancy to term, what choices do you believe a biological mother has that a biological father doesn't?
That is the whole choice (whether or not to carry to term) after words is just working out the details. Since a man can not choose to abort the pregnancy he should still get a choice in this life changing decision as it also directly effects the rest of life not just the mother's.
Goodness, no. I just think that men should be able to walk away and not pay a cent in child support if they don't want a child.
Why on earth...? Too paraphrase Chuz life, deadbeat dads will rejoice! What about the mothers of these unwanted children? Can they get away with supporting their children, too?
To answer your original question with another question: Why can't men have an opinion on abortion? Is your belief that men should have no opinion at all? Or should we not be allowed to have an opinion? So you know my personal opinion on abortion, (oh no, a man has an opinion. call the feminists) I believe that a woman's body is none of anyone else's business. If a woman wants an abortion, it's none of my business, and it sure as hell isn't anyone else's place to tell her yes or no.
Should the mother get the same option then - to go through with the birth then dump the child on the father and just walk away? If you have consensual sex with someone, you are by definition accepting responsibility (something being grossly overlooked in this thread). I don't think either party should be able to just walk away from that responsibility. The fact it is the woman who gives birth (or not) add a whole extra aspect for them but the fundamental responsibility on both partners remains. There should be (and generally is) the option for the father to be absolved of that responsibility as long as the mother agrees (or even vice-versa) and there is the option for both to absolve responsibility via adoption.
If neither parent wants a born child, they can give it up for adoption. If one or the other wants it, the other must pay child support if ordered by the court. Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy. A woman cannot simply walk away from an unwanted pregnancy. Choosing to abort is exercising responsibility, since abortion is often the more responsible choice. A father cannot be absolved of responsibility; sometimes a mother does not pursue support through the courts but once that is done, it is not her choice. The courts decide.
Thank you, Mike, for respecting women enough to allow them to make their own choices without interference. Thank you for trusting women. Many men express an opinion on abortion, and attempt to make their opinions law without understanding the cost of pregnancy/childbirth to a woman; you can usually spot those men when they refer to pregnancy as "inconvenient."
Note to all; "Despite your initial reactions to the above comment by Grannie,... she is NOT "pro-abortion." Those are not "pro-abortion" views. She (Grannie) is not a proponent for legalized elective abortion. And her comments should not be taken as the "promoting" of abortion as a "responsible" choice. Yes,... I know what you just read. Just trust me on this one,.... Grannie is NOT "pro-abortion." I know this because she told me she's not!
Abortion is a responsible choice. I am PRO legality, because that means it is a SAFE choice. Since women WILL make that choice anyway, I would prefer it be a safe one. It's too bad that after all your dictionary work, you don't seem to grasp the meaning of words.
Your denials being what they are,... I have to say you are projecting here. I showed you with the very definitions you are referring to what "proponent" (i.e. your comments here- above) and "promote" and "advocate" mean. You have a rather curious want (need?) to deny that any of THOSE worse apply to YOU. Interesting.
Yes, that is the current situation. The argument some are making is that the man involved should have the option to simply ignore that court order (or that the court order should exist at all). It's consent to the possibility. How ever much protection and precautions you take, it can happen. If you choose to have sex, you are choosing to risk an unwanted pregnancy and thus choosing the responsibility for that consequence. Abortion, even early, can't in any way be described as simply walking away. I'm pro-choice in principal but in no way should abortion be dismissed anything like as casually as this. It's a huge decision with major consequences and potential risks either way for the woman involved (and, preferably, her partner too). Part of the problem here is that some people are percieving the mother having an "easy out" with abortion, which couldn't (certainly shouldn't) be further from the truth.
That's true, and a woman MUST have the protection of legal abortion in order to have control of her life. Controlling reproduction is essential to controlling the rest of her life. Exactly. Although I can't imagine what risks a woman's partner endures with abortion.
I can understand and appreciate the arguments.... But the answer is no. I don't generally consider all or even most elective abortions to be nothing more than someone "taking the easy way out." I believe that convience or inconvienience plays a factor to some degree in most decisions people make about a lot of things. But that doesn't make 'convienience' the deciding factor in all of them.
In light of that legislature to eliminate mandatory car insurance should be forthcoming, since we all consent to possible accidents and that is just the tip of the iceberg.
I am not understanding. I would have thought you'd believe that abortion IS an easy way out. Like a 'get out of motherhood free' card. If abortions are not the easy way out...what are they?
Convienience is a factor Mak,... but it not the only factor by a longshot. You also have Fear for example,...
