geez louise! I've been away from this forum for the best part of a year. I cannot believe that this thread lives on! I can believe that you are still in the middle of it, Mak. Amazing the irony of a lesbian with an abortion fetish. Hogwash. Rape and incest aside, controlling reproduction is within any woman's power, without abortion. Controlling one's sex drive...or should I say choosing between sex and risks...seems to be a far greater problem for the modern woman. How to have one's cake and eat it too. Of course, abortion is an easy out...for both female and male. The endless verbiage in this endless thread, follicle division, all. Don't mow down the sapling and you will inevitably have a tree. The difference between a sapling and a tree is mere wordplay....and time. I suspect every (*)(*)(*)(*)ed one of you here knows this well enough in the dark of the night; hence the need for verbiage from A to Zygote. Sophistry and semantics, carry on.
I like sex. I love it, in fact. Remember, I'm relatively young. My sex drive is in overdrive. But guess what? So is my sense of responsibility... The question the thread poses is absurd. Abortion is a human issue, not a woman issue. It concerns the murder of a human being (or, at least what some believe the child in the womb to be).That is the business of everyone. So, I would regard this thread as nothing more than pro-murder B.S. It should be shut down. The pro-murder crowd is the most vile thing in existence. They should be compared with terrorists. The pro-choice movement, in my mind, is no different than Al-Qaeda. They are equally disgusting.
How is it? Aha!...this is about women getting away with having what is considered illicit sex Never for a male. Males can't have abortions. Not often for a woman, either. They're never easy. true...and? yeah...I knew that. I'm puzzled though. Why are you talking about saplings and trees?
Good. It has diverged somewhat, that's why. An opinion in general, yes. In particular, no. oh blah blah.
Actually to most vile humans have ALWAYS been those who wanted to force others to comply with their demands. Kings, dictators, religious oppressors, the list goes on. It was always those that mankind has fought for liberty and self determination. Your zealotry and closed mindedness blind you to the hypocrisy of that statement and reality. It is not those who advocate choice and freedom who wish to terrorize others but you and your ilk and that IS disgusting, much like your generalizations and labeling.
Pregnancy cannot be obtained without sex, and women control their own sex (rape and incest aside). Aha? Think you've stumbled into a flaw in my logic that any good feminist can defend? Scrub your puritanical pejorative "illicit", we're not in the religious forum; now think again. BS. Men have abortions - or 18 yrs of obligations (just like mom). You can yammer til the cows come home but the fact remains: the overwhelming majority of abortions are performed for convenience of the parents. Women want to be like men, to be able to have casual sex whenever it suits them, and then walk away from it with nothing but the memory of a good time. That's fair, right? Same for her, same for him, equal. Too bad there is no place for reality in that scenario. The reality is that the woman is in control from jump street. She controls the sex, therefore the risk of pregnancy. A man can have casual sex and walk away...a woman cannot walk away from her own womb, that is reality. And so I say again to: Hogwash! she has control of her reproduction. Abortion is not 'control of one's life' - it is the mop-up job that proves one failed to control one's life. And all the sophistry and semantics dedicated to cell division is nothing more than our need to assuage that reality.
So do men, so how is this unfair? It's true. Men can't have abortions. That's a biological fact. Yes..and? Actually, though, having a baby is life changing, not a mere inconvenience. That's right. Yes. No she doesn't. She cannot force a man to have sex with her ( outside of rape) A man cannot just walk away if he is a father. So does he It's a choice. It's no good getting huffy about it.
Exactly where in that statement did you read that I said anything about unfair? Your motivation is showing. Not hardly. I've raised no religious point, that's your descriptor. Okay. You win. We could devote an entire thread to that but I suspect you're not up to the task - no offense. So you agree that most abortions are a matter of parental convenience...but it's okay to justify that convenience because it is so life changing? pfft...what is your age? You've just made my point. I can stop here. Again, your motivations are showing. Now you've put the period on my point. And shined the light on your motivations. from a light bulb to a klieg, is it? WTF does forcing a man TO have sex have to do with anything in this thread. Do you understand the word convoluted? Sometimes folks go in so many circles they wind in their own ass! Really? well, that eliminates all ages above 30 for certain, perhaps even the 20s.. At any rate, you're back to quote three in your convolutions, lil sister. Now we've moved from hogwash to horsesh#t! NO ONE HAS MORE CONTROL OVER REPRODUCTION THAN DOES THE WOMAN. Do you want to know how a man rids himself of an unwanted pregnancy? It generally involves a great deal of damage to the incubator! Think this isn't so? go look up the stats, sweetie. That's right, a choice about how to clean up the mess you've made -- by extinguishing another life. Yet the song remains the same. Abortion is about having one's cake and eating it too...at the expense of another life...and all this verbiage is but pitiful humans attempting to assuage their own inner voice.
I must say this: Find a better way to have sex. One that does not include the possibility of you having to murder your own child for a minutes pleasure. There are dozens of ways a woman can catch her nut without exposing herself to this risk - use them. I think you will find most men are very accommodating in this respect.
Isn't that the purpose of cake, to be eaten or are you referring strictly to fruit cake that just gets passed along? Your very existence is at the expense of other life. Are you going to commit ritual suicide now?
I cant imagine what kind of perversions you must engage in or fantasize about, but NORMAL sex does not EVER involve the possibility of murdering ANYTHING, especially children. Perhaps and this is just speculation on my part, but your problem stems from the one minute pleasure you art referring to. Perhaps if you found some more "main stream" methods that offer a bit more than a minute of pleasure you could broaden your perspective and alleviate frustration.
And you'll stick with missionary and murderous mop ups...gotcha NORMAL = mainstream = broadened perspectives? Forget prom, lil, I suspect he is more adventurous with a thesaurus than he is in the sack. btw - the female orgasm lasts about 20 seconds, and about 3-10 seconds for a man.
Not hype, kid, hyperbole. hy·per·bo·le    noun Rhetoric. obvious and intentional exaggeration. Let's see how much of this is hyperbole, shall we? Your VERY precise; particular, ACTUAL EXISTENCE continuance in life RITUAL an established or prescribed procedure for a religious or other rite. any practice or pattern of behavior regularly performed in a set manner. SUICIDE to intentionally kill oneself Not only are you above your pay grade here, kiddo, you're off topic (not to mention being silly). As I am beginning to believe you are among the forum's younger members, I am no longer comfortable discussing this matter with you. I have no way of knowing if you are 13 or legal.
I see that you have difficulty with rebuttals when you were shown to spew drivel. I find your bowing out reason amusing though. It a was creative way to mask your deficiency.
Look, I don't know you from Jack...but I've been in and out of this thread, debating and rebutting for wha? two years. You've offered nothing, truly nothing, but "my life remaining unruffled is worth the life of an innocent". It's the cheesiest argument I've ever encountered. Mak puts on 10x a better fight than you can muster, as does OKG, EPV, and dozens of others. Psychologically speaking, only two yr olds and teenagers display the level of selfishness shown here. You are not debating....you are stomping your feet and insisting on having your own way of it. You'll remember your remarks about perversion, long about 30, and realize how silly you seemed here. I'll leave you to your life and learning, we are all entitled to it. Hopefully, you will never face the day when you realize that some chickadee you knocked up having an abortion in no way equals you literally losing your life - just your child's. And all you've stated here was mere hyperbole.
Remember it is quality ant quantity that maters and you have shown nothing relevant to the abortion issue beyond hyperbole, emotional appeal and noise. In this instance it was not my intent to "show something" but rather to show how you posted nothing of relevance or consequence. It seems that fact unsettled you to the point of grasping at straws in an attempt to 'save face.' You should get out more often and actually pay attention to what is debated. That is a good thing, but it does not negate what I posted. Yes of course, that is why abortion IS legal in the civilized world where theocracies and dictatorships have been replaced with self determination. You presented NOTHING to debate only meaningless and vague opinions. No stomping at all, just showing what your post amounted to. Yet to seem not to wish to take advantage of the same opportunity. your point? I guess the hypocrisy and irony of that statement escapes you.
A better way to have sex? Sex means intercourse. You want people to have sex without having sex? *scratches head* People are going to have sex regardless of what you think, what you want them to do, and regardless of any laws against abortion. Sex is natural, and the fear of a pregnancy shouldn't stop a woman from taking part in a perfectly natural, pleasurable act. Use protection, go on the pill, use a condom, do all you can to prevent the pregnancy. Accidents do happen, the birth control might fail - but is that the woman's fault for spreading her legs, or do these BC companies have a lot more work to do to come up with a form of BC that is 100% effective?
Hello Mak. Long time, no yak. You of all people should know that sex does not require a penis entering the vagina. Please don't be obtuse, dear. btw - jftr: Sex = intercourse is an idiom. Sexual intercourse = coitus Fear of killing another human should prompt all participants to avail themselves of any means to avoid same. Fault? It is the Consequence, the "perfectly natural" consequence. Should another human die because "a women spread her legs"? Is it the "fault" of the unborn that BC is not 100% effective? Keep sperm-laden penises outta your vagina and you'll have no worries about pregnancies or killing children....100% effective BC. edit: btw, Mak, who made the decision to keep this crazy ass thread going?
People aren't going to simply have oral sex. It isn't the same. Most people who have sex are not concerned about 'killing' anything. Only pro lifers would be so careful and obsessive in their sexual activities, and that is up to them. Let others make their own choices. A consequence they both tried their hardest to prevent. They did the right thing, why punish them because they had sex? Should a woman be forced to carry a baby because she made love to her boyfriend? It's also unrealistic. No idea, but its still popular as hell, so why not keep it going?
Mak, Your logic is flawed. You say that sex is natural and people shouldn't be "punished" for having sex. Reproduction is just as natural. In fact, the purpose of sex is to reproduce. Cultural has mired this fact, however.
That doesn't mean that everytime a woman falls pregnant, she should be expected to gestate til full term.
