Why do you believe in God ?

What does your last sentence even mean?

 

Why name something that you do not believe exists?

 

1. If contingent being exists, a necessary being must exist.
Failed to defend this assumption in any way.
Failed to show how the necessary thing has to be a being (living) rather than just a thing or force.
2. Contingent being exists.
3. Therefore a necessary being exists.
4. The God of the bible fulfills the implications of a necessary being.
5. All other ideas considered have been disproved so the God of the Bible is the only one left.
Just because the alternatives you have thought of have been disproved doesn't mean that all possible are disproven.
A necessary being doesn't even have to be a God, all-powerful, all-knowing, all-good, or even known by humans.
How have you disproven all alternatives by the way?
5. Therefore the God of the Bible exists.

 

No, i am NOT asking proof
I am trying to understand in specific detail exactly what happened during the theistic version of the beginning of life

Theists insist that so called random events do not provide a believable version of the origin of life.

i am simply asking for the more believable theist alternative to be laid out in the same level of detail as is demanded of non theist versions. There has to be more to the story than: THERE IS AN ALL POWERFUL CREATOR

 

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Why do you believe in God ?

Simple reply, I don't. Having experienced life for a long time, seen prayers go unanswered and horrors that said god could have and declared he would prevent, I see no evidence to support such an entity. Not believing in fairy tales, why should I accept this one?

 

You sound like a skeptic. Why is it so hard for you to believe that an invisible man in the sky went “poof” and everything fell into place?

 

But if you re read my post
You will see that i am asking more details of the “poof” thingie
Was it an ongoing series of incremental poofs, Or was there a big bang poof and then everything came from that

 

What ever you decide to believe is what you will believe, with or without evidence.

 

Gosh, I thought I have been clear,
But let’s try again

I agree I am not a believer
I am a skeptic
I am not looking for evidence

But, I am looking for more information from believers about what exactly the believers believe
So, for example...
Do believers think that creation happened at the Big Bang
And then there were billions of years of god’s creation playing itself out through Astro physics and evolution ... this all happening about 14 billion years ago... as apparently the pope thinks to be true

Or, maybe theists think along the lines of the young earth theology .... where in god created everything all together, all at the same time... about 10,000 years ago

Or maybe god did things in some different way?

I am NOT asking for evidence or proof
I Just want clarity on what you believe... and perhaps an explanation about why there there are such dramatically divergent views among theists about this topic

 

The Argument from Contingency. It's been failing ever since Aquinas came up with it.

We don't know that the universe is contingent. It's quite possible the existence of the universe is necessary.

Even if it is contingent, that doesn't lead to the existence of a necessary being. There's no reason the universe couldn't have popped into existence by itself. Causality breaks down without time, and there was no time before the Big Bang.

And if a First Cause did create it, a non-sentient force could have been the First Cause.

And if you do posit a god as First Cause, then you have to explain what created the god/First Cause, so it just pushes the problem back. It's a special pleading fallacy to declare that the First Cause doesn't need to have a cause itself.

 

maybe the universal connectedness of everything is the God, meaning you are a part or God, I am, every living thing is part of God, meaning we are God, all of us
maybe we are all evolving..... or maybe we decided to live this massive virtual reality we call life cause we were board, kinda like some teens playing D&D, we made some rules and now were playing the game

Muslims, Christians and Jews all believe in the same God you do, probably for the same reasons, or maybe just cause they were raised that way by society

 

Basic reply to all of your questions, don't know or care. Some things are just, at this time, unknown.

 

I believe in God because of the accuracy of biblical prophecy. Some people claim that Nostradamus was a prophet. He's not even in the same league. The accuracy of biblical prophecy is proof that it is the result of a supernatural agent. That would be God.

 

like Thor? or any of the other God's man created

 

Possibly. Say are you aware that every element has a man made name? Does this mean Man made up the elements?

I believe in GOD but man never made up GOD. No more than man created Gold or Hydrogen.

 

Right. Same thing with science

 

I don’t know....but I won’t make up supernatural explanations for what I don’t know. The Greeks had gods pulling the sun because they couldn’t explain it etc

 

So you think Zeus is king of the gods?

 

and did the God get poofed into place in the beginning, did he grow up into super God, did he have a creator, I mean everything needs a creator if it exists

 

a better comparison would be to Santa.... adults tell their kids and they believe it, cause why would adults lie

 

I'm not convinced this concept of transcendence is inviolable, and that is in part because it's not super clear how it applies to humans.

For instance, you could argue that humans lack free will, and that our intellect is merely the mundane signals in our brain. As such, the emergence of persons is quite possible, albeit unlikely at any particular point. Now, I'm not here to argue that that is the case, but it seems to me such a perspective highlights an area of your argument that seems unjustified. It's not super clear to me what some of these concepts are, could a computer with a hard coded volition or emotion count? If not, why does it count in a person?

Or consider a deist god with no emotion. I see no reason to rule out that it could create humans with emotion, based on its lack of emotion.

 

Though growing up in a home that did not reverence God, I developed an intense belief there was more to my soul than what is contained in my physical body. I contemplate right and wrong. I understand my impending physical death. I feel for those in unfortuneate circumstances. In those things I am far above the animals......then I found out about the "law of love". It is found in the Bible thru the actions of Jesus Christ. Only those that are called will understand.

 

This thread seemed honest and sincere at it's inception....but like most other God inquiring threads, it is bait for the mockers of Faith and those intent on an atheistic message. "gods unto themselves"

 

And if we don’t know what create something we make up an invisible man in the sky. I kind of preferred the ancient Greeks explanation of things as they seem to be more creative. They had so many different gods

 

How dare you imply that those who do not believe in the supernatural or any different than you. I know right from wrong. And if you believe in Jesus Christ and that you will go to heaven and fly with Angels, then I am glad you get comfort from that.And then there are those who believe there are virgins waiting for them in heaven....etc.
and then there are those like me, who believe You only go thru life once and it’s up to you to make the most of the here and now