Why do you believe in God ?

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  1. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Renee, even unblievers like yourself are created in the image of God.He has imparted a desire to know and certain wisdoms to all of us. We can callous our hearts to those...it is up to us.Romans 1:18-31 explains that quite well. I wouldn't DARE to imply you and I are any different in that aspect. I don't believe I will ever "fly with the angels". They are mercenaries for God. I will have relationship with Him as I am learning to do now. I too believe it is up to me, by choice to make the most use of the here and now, but I do it because of the love He has shown me and I do it for His glory. There is purpose in the "here and now". It only prepares us for what is to come. I look forward to seeing those I have loved and discuss our experiences in the new "light".

    The fact that you know right from wrong, and even some of that is like what I know, bears witness to the fact we have a unifying factor. Does some poetry or proverb touch your heart too? If so, that is amazing!
     
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    Would that include all of the end of world prophecy's? After all, we, or at I am, still here.
     
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    The difference being, science tends to provide repeatable and testable proofs. These tend to be lacking in this topic.
     
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    Think about this. 2,000 years ago, John wrote the Book of Revelation. It explains the events of the last days. Israel plays a central role in those events. For many centuries, there was no nation of Israel. Well now there is. The events in revelation cannot take place without the nation of Israel. The Jews are the only people in all of history who have lost their homeland and managed to get it back. And it happened exactly as prophesied 2,000 years ago. Jesus told us that this would be one of the last events to take place before the tribulation. He said that the generation that witnessed this event would be alive when He returns. This happened about 70 years ago. that means that time is short. Think about that.
     
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    Think about this, your statement is all a load of crap and excuses for past failures.

    You claim as an authority some 2000 year old writings, attributing them to a fisherman of limited education or even existence. You ignore all past claims in favor of one that you hope comes true.

    Fantasy at its most obvious.
     
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  7. Renee

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    Just Because you say I am created in the image of god. doesn’t mean it is true . You have a need to believe that and I don’t. Do you believe that it was a woman named Pandora who created all the woes in the world? Do you believe that a goddess Ceres is responsible for all the harvests? If not why not? You’re I books written by the Greek and Romans and we’re the holy word.
    You make the most of your here and now because you believe that God has shown you to do that. I do much good and I do it because I know what is right and I don’t need Supernatural to tell me what to do.What does poetry or a proverb that touches my heart had to do with God? And I really don’t believe these people who saw God and have come back. The same way I don’t believe in faith healers. But as I say if you need to believe in the supernatural God to keep you on the right path and five you hope because dying it’s too painful , I am happy for you
     
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    If I am a contingent being, I am absolutely confident that any scale according to which my belief in, among other things, God, my existence and objective morality are assumptions is intellectually bankrupt.

    Science is also about discovery; and I daresay that's a helluva lot more important than testing.

    Sounds rather Newtonian.

    Well there goes your excuse for countenancing the murder of unborn children.
     
  9. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    When those 100 pound, 1.6 cubic ft, hailstones start falling on your head we'll see how big of a fan you really are.
     
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    I won't be around for that. Christians get a pass on the Divine Judgment thingy. Sorry to disappoint you.
     
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    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    Where does it say that in the fairy tale? It says that EVERYONE will be cursing Yahweh/Yeshua. And remember, you might get tossed into the lake of fire on Judgment Day.
     
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    Welcome to my ignore list.
     
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    Wow. So, it is not contingent on the on word of the bible. But in the thoughtful observation of the created. Which is what is expected of the creator.
     
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    In my case, my observations led me to look for a necessary being. I found Him in the bible.
     
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    Yet, you or I still don't know a damn thing, do we ?
     
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    Simply- because I feel that God exists.

    More complicatingly: I dont find abiogenesis to be a compelling hypothesis. It seems more plausible to me that a Creative, Conscious Will organized the reality we exist in rather than the other way around. We may not have been created by 'God', but 'God' created the reality in which we eventually came to exist.

    The Sumerians believed that we were created by aliens, and that those aliens believed in a being they called 'The Creator of All' that dwelt in the densely packed star clusters at the center of the universe (or galaxy) (if their cuneiform tablets are being interpreted correctly). I find this more plausible than 'matter + energy + time = humans'. Something is missing from that equation, and I believe its God.
     
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    Then Just ask me..I know everything;)
     
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    Obviously.
     
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    I always hear people claiming to be healed from cancer, etc. by the power of prayer -- but the funny thing is no one who has lost a leg, an arm, or an eye gets a replacement no matter how much they or anyone else pray. So for you believers, please explain this apparent paradox. Why can prayer cure cancer but not cure a lost arm?

    The other thing I want explained is people always claim God tells them to do this or that, but apparently they never actually hear God talk in words per se. How come God never delivers the same message to multiple people at the same time. Say like at a church service or similar. In fact why do we need a human to tell us what God wants? Why can't we go to church and just get the message directly from God.

    And I have to ask one more question. How come when linguistic experts analyze people talking in tongues they determine that the so called "tongues" are random noise more or less with none of the elements of an actual language?
     
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    Good post, but don't expect an intelligent response.
     
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    Having said that can you explain why modern archeology says the Exodus never happened? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus
     
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    It takes too many calories and energy for mammals to regrow body parts. Besides, can you imagine how painful it would be to regrow a whole leg in a couple of days? Some lower level life forms can regrow, like some lizards can regrow their tails but not their legs. And bushes can regrow themselves after pruning but trees can't regrow branches once they've been removed.

    So what you need to do is to mix lizard and bush DNA and get a serum that you can inject into humans so that amputees can regrow their limbs. You'll become super wealthy.
     
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    No one really believes in the fairy tale. They just like to jaw about it as if they are true believers.
     
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    It is easy for a prophecy to be true when it is made after the event or viewed out of the original context.
     
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    The Exodus did happen but not in the way the Bible says. In real history Egypt occupied the Levant all the way to the Tigris River so the area was "Egypt". Then it lost that part of its empire and was pushed back into Egypt proper across the Red Sea. So the Israelites didn't leave Egypt; Egypt left the Israelites. They just flipped the story because it sounded better.

    https://www.ancient.eu/image/538/
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    The Hittites pretty much ended the Egyptian ear in the Levant http://www.historycentral.com/dates/1500bc.html. The story about God & Moses being unable to defeat iron chariots is about the Egyptians fighting the Hittites, who won because they had the iron chariots.
     
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