Why doesn't DeSantis just announce he will NOT be a candidate?

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  1. btthegreat

    btthegreat Well-Known Member

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    If I were him, I'd let 2024 just roll on by and wait until 2028. The party is in such disarray with MAGA fully behind Trump and the Never Trumpers likely to be divided by the rest of the field. Its not going to unify. DeSantis has been polling in mediocrity compared to Trump for a couple of months now, and its not likely to change this upcoming election cycle. Why not sit in that Governor's mansion and wait for the fever to break. Its a high profile perch to watch the party lose again because of the divisiveness of Donald, or watch the results of the various possible indictments. DeSantis needs to stop the polling because every time they ask GOP voters, fewer seem to pick him, and that is hurting his brand. The mystique of a DeSantis candidacy is more of an ally for DeSantis, than the real thing is.
     
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    Perhaps he's employing a smart strategy by letting the liberals direct their ire at Trump and get themselves all winded out before he announces...
     
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    Don't worry the second he makes an announcement or looks like he's going to win hell be but just the new Donald Trump but worse. I remember George Bush was literally Hitler then it was John McCain then it was mit Romney and DeSantis is a fascist evil dictator for not letting perverts indoctrinate children until after 3rd grade.

    It won't be any better in fact I think it'll be worse
     
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    I have always been skeptical about DeSantis running in 2024. IMO he would be better off waiting until 2028. I would reserve final judgement until I see DeSantis platform but essentially it looks like he is competing for the same segment of the GOP voters as Trump. At this time I see no real disagreement between him Trump on any policies. He will be mini Trump.

    BUT that said I think DeSantis is better off leaving the status quo than an outright announcement that he will not run. He is building name recognition and building himself as the successor to the MAGA party. That in it own has a lot of future value.
     
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    DeSantis missed his chance to actually get the Nomination....
    His window has closed...
    At this point, most insiders think that barring something unforeseen and cataclysmic:
    Trump's chances of being the 2024 GOP Nominee are well over 90%...
    In FACT...
    As has been stated many times before:
    A Biden vs Trump Rematch is (Already) a Foregone Conclusion...
    The only intrigue revolving around Trump's Running Mate...
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Florida law would require him to resign from his office if he announced he is running, so they are changing that law for him. That is the only reason he has not announced yt.
     
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    The DeSantis campaign has ended before it began. The extreme piece of abortion legislation that he just pushed through the Florida Legislature has made him into an extreme right candidate who will have a hard time moving to the right-center. After passing the first abortion bill, he should have left the issue alone.

    Most Americans support some level for legal abortion. It’s not as extreme as the far left position, which any time over the nine month gestation period, but it’s also not the heart beat law that DeSantis just got passed. My wife and I are now looking for another candidate to support in the primaries.
     
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    too much money has been given to deathsantis for him to not run in 2024

    I read he has $60+ million in his campaign fund

    my guess is, before he announces his run for president,

    deathsantis will be sure the laws in florida have changed to his advantage

    if a law is preventing him from being governor and running for president concurrently, that law will soon change

    the GOP has a SUPER majority in floriida and have handled deathsantis perfectly

    he has used his governors platform better than any other governor I have seen run for president

    his TV commercials were slick and refined while running for governor

    his handlers are doing a great job..but they too fear trump...most of his staff are former trumpers

    at the end of the day deathsantis is just another big GOP pu$$y that is afraid of trump

    every GOP presidential candidate are praying daily trump is convicted and denied another run for the whitehouse
     
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    Trump should announce he will not be a candidate
     
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    At least we agree on that. However he is already a candidate.
     
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    That will happen when elephants and donkeys can fly and will live in peace and harmony.

    Trump will have one more run and lose again. By 2028, he'll be 82 years old and still running. By then his cult will have gotten smaller, but he might have another shot. Some define insanity as repeating the same action time after time and expecting a different result. You can't reason with the members of the Trump cult.

    It reminds me of this post card, issued in 1908, when William Jennings Bryan ran for president for the third time. He lost by a greater margin that he did the first two times. Just replace the donkey with an elephant.

    Hear thy Call.jpg
     
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    Yeah I was thinking the same thing after he signed that abortion bill, that he has decided not to run, because I'm not sure he would have gone along with that if he were serious about running a national race.
     
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    Please define "indoctrinate"
     
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    For get the fact that I don’t agree with him. He has lost suburban women vote, which was one of Trump’s problems in 2020. Without that vote, DeSantis can’t win. He is not a viable candidate.
     
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    As long as the GOP continues to support Trump and Trumpism, NONE of the members of the GOP are viable candidates
     
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    In other words as long as Republicans aren’t Democrats, you won’t support them. Got it.

    The trouble is Trump’s demeanor, not his policies.
     
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    In a variation of FatBack's suggestion, above, I have for a while now believed that DeSantis has been hoping that the LEGAL system, would remedy his Trump problem. What will ultimately transpire on that front, of course, is yet to be seen, and impossible to predict. With each passing day, however, it seems ever less likely the result will be an imprisoned Trump, prior to the 2024 election; and this eventuality is now out of the question, before the Republican Primaries. The sad thing, for DeSantis, is that it is not even a certainty that, from behind bars, Trump might not still beat him.

    While I do not believe that DeSantis has the popular appeal to win the Presidency, in either cycle, there is a good argument for his waiting, until after Trump has been (hopefully) soundly defeated, in '24. To address your question as to his own thinking, though-- besides his prayers to Lady Justice-- prospective Presidential contenders, in particular, seem to be cognizant of the reality that circumstances can change at any point, so one need strike, while the iron is hot. It is especially true in DeSantis's case, that there will be mounting troubles in Florida, if he has no fixes for the spiralling out of control of Florida rents, and for the insurance crisis that has existed, because insurers have been refusing to cover many Florida homes.

    While even if DeSantis could win this coming Primary, his hardline abortion record, alone, would keep him from ascending to our highest office (and there are numerous other reasons, besides). I suspect that holds true, for 2028, as well but, we can't say what will happen in the interim. Maybe there will be some legislative fix, which will make it less of a hot button issue. But if the Florida economy is, then, in the tank, DeSantis would probably be hard-pressed, even to win the nomination.




     
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    As it stands now, he'd have to step down as Governor if he formally announced. He doesn't want that. He'll wait until either that Florida law changes or at least until Trump slips a bit more.
     
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    To get them to believe the doctor in of an ideology like trans-ism.

    We know this is false ideology because no amount of castration drugs or cross-ex hormones or butchery well ever make a boy into a girl or a girl and a boy.

    You know the sentences trying to do is limit these perverts to just fourth grade and up I would be happier with completely out of the school entire. So this is a compromise
     
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    I don't read the current law in that way.

    "Any officer who qualifies for federal public office must resign from the office he or she presently holds if the terms, or any part thereof, run concurrently with each other."

    The way I read it Desantis would have to resign prior to being inaugurated.
     
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    Well to be fair, no Republican is viable for 2024. It would be better for his long term political prospects to take a pass this time, let Trump have it, have Biden (or his avatar) win, then let enough time pass to put the abortion issue behind him.
     
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    In some ways that makes sense. However, if the GOP can't make congressional gains (in the House and Senate) in this go, they are kind of screwed for several years in the future. I do agree that the hardline against abortion will hurt them, as will they "WAAAAAAH trans kids!" position.
     
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    The Trans issue, as it relates to kids and schools, is probably an electoral plus. The lock down woke a lot of parents up to what schools were up to and led to some interesting results, like Democratic voters in Virginia electing a Republican governor.

    Abortion is a different issue. As far as the GOP was concerned, they had their victory with Dobbs with the implicit understanding that Blue states could run their babies through a blender if they wanted to, in order to achieve some sort of social peace on the issue. Of course neither the Democrats or Republicans could leave that issue alone for a second, so the abortion war goes on.
     
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    It wasn't last time.

    The "WAAAAAAH trans people" crowd lost last time and they will this time.

    Neither are leaving it alone. Republicans are pushing for even more abortion restrictions and it isn't a winning issue, hence why DeSantis has been pretty quiet about his effective abortion ban.
     
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    Yes we just covered the abortion issue, thanks for repeating the conclusion.

    As for the trans issue, I'm curious what state is showing a GOP weakness due to Trans?
     

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