Why doesn't DeSantis just announce he will NOT be a candidate?

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  1. Independent4ever

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    I do not want him to be the nominee, but you are in denial if, other than if a health issue occurs, you think that there is any chance he is not the nominee

    There are no candidates who will do well against him, including Desantis (if he runs, which I still doubt)
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We'll see. That's why they run the primaries.
     
  3. Endeavor

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    I am evangelical Christian, and I will tell you from my personal experience majority evangelical Christian who are Pro-life, it is not politics but a true conviction. It is who they are. Politics and political party doesn’t matter to them. They will not be happy until America makes law to ban abortion all together, no exception, Period.
     
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    “children to be physically mutilated” , these kind of phrase works in conservative social media. But for independent and moderate this kind of expression has no value. No one in America force children to change their sexuality or cut off their body parts. They are making the decision on their own. You may have a good argument about “parental consent” but that’s about it. On top of that , what is the percentage of teens changing their gender? 1% or 2%?
     
  5. Endeavor

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    Since 2016 GOP nomination, republican making same mistake again and again. They think Trump will not win Presidential election and he will go away. They focus on the next election cycle rather then looking forward to 4-6-8 years down the road.

    Republican will not win 2024 presidential election. Anyone thinks GOP will win WH in 2024 lives in alternative reality. It doesn’t matter who wins GOP nomination, Trump and Abortion issue will be center of the election. Democrats will remind voter “Trump Presidency” and Extreme Anti-Abortion laws passed in many states. On top of that, Trump will not go out quietly if he is not nominated. And if Trump is the nominee, GOP will lose election.

    Republican needs to forget 2024 and focus on candidate like Chris Sununu or Larry hogan, build back the moderate Republican party and have a decisive win in Midterm election 2026 and go with a Moderate GOP in 2028.
     
  6. Lil Mike

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    And you think a child can consent to sterilization and castration?
     
  7. Endeavor

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    As I said , you can debate about if anyone under 18 wants to have gender altercation “ parental consent” is a MUST.

    But let’s be honest. No one is forcing anyone to cut out their body parts in America.
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Such surgery for people under 18 is very rare, and difficult to get, so when they talk about 'transitioning' school age kids, they are usually not referring to surgery.
     
  9. Lil Mike

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    You said they were making the decision on their own. Are they?
     
  10. Lil Mike

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    Then you are referring to hormone therapy?
     
  11. Endeavor

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    I should have looked it up before my last post. There is not a single state which allow a minor to go through “transgender treatment” , be it physical or psychological treatment without parental consent.

    So, let’s drop the act about consent or mutilation. . What GOP wants - State to power over children then their parents. What is most absurd is that past 50 years GOP keep saying “keep Government out of my life” , but now “ parents making decision for their kids” is not good enough, the Government has to make the decision for the kids.
     
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    I am not referring to anything particular. I am not sure what all qualifies as such, but I dont think it always means anything physical.

    I suppose sometimes its just a dress like here

     
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  13. Lil Mike

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    So you do support sterilization and castration of children, with the parent's permission?
     
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    I suppose that by "castration" you mean bottom surgery, which almost never happens with minors, and I can't find any example of it happening below the age of 17.
     
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    If I can trust parents to make decision for the children to have “ open heart surgery” , then I have no problem same parents making decision on gender change.

    Do you have a problem with a parent making decision for children to have “ brain surgery"?
     
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    I've not been able to find many. From 2019 to 2021 there have been 56 "bottom" surgeries, as you call them, among kids, aged 13-17. This is just the ones that have been paid by insurance of some sort. I don't have a count of the ones in which cash was paid for the surgery.

    These of course are barbaric atrocities.
     
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    Brain surgery? No. But "gender change?" Since there is no such thing, yes I do have a problem with that. It's barbaric mutilation.
     
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    Source?
     
  19. Lil Mike

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    Link included in post.
     
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    The link does not substantiate the claim you made, which is why I asked for a link that did.
     
  21. Lil Mike

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    Yes it does. Sorry you didn't read that far.
     
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    I did read that far. By the way, for future reference: an article saying something you like but providing no reference for that claim does not actually substantiate your claim. Your article doesn't provide any actual evidence of your claim that 13 year olds are getting bottom surgery. I suppose it is possible that this is true, but you haven't substantiated it.
     
  23. Lil Mike

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    Since you didn't actually read that far, here's a pro tip for you: Do a search on the page for the numbers I cited.

    Hope this helps! Follow me for more computer tips!
     
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    Oh I see. You are ok with parents making life and death decision about their children as long as you or GPO’s moral committee agree with it, but if parent’s decision don’t pass your “ moral judgment” then parents can’t make decision for their kids.

    Oh my , GOP’s “ Small Government, Government stay out of my personal life” only applicable when everyone agree with GOP’s morality, if not then Government is there to force government’s morality on everyone’s personal life.

    At least you are honest.
     
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    A child cannot legally drink alcohol. Yet, they can be given hormones that will affect their bodies for the rest of their lives based upon the opinions of professionals who sometimes now seem to have an agenda. I’ve got a niece, who was born male, who has been on this stuff since she was less than 10 years old. She has the maturity of a five year old, this is what is being done. I’m not her parents and have no say, but I would be much more reluctant see this happen. How do you know that you are the wrong sex at age 5? I have no idea.
     

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