Why doesnt god just show himself?

These people think we do not have the right to have Obama show his real Birth Certificate, yet they feel God should show himself,,,,go figure...

 

He did, in the park, and got himself arrested.

 

It is a choice. I know, because it is one I have made.

 

I came on the thread to answer the original question, not to have my faith attacked. Those who choose to deny God are free to do so, and I respect your decision. All I ask is that you show me the same courtesy.

 

Moses saw a burning bush and YHWH hasn't been "seen" since.

 

Have you ever read the Old or the New Testament?

Exodus 20:18 states

I'm not Christian, nor am I religious. You should take the time to research subjects before you just go out and attack them.

 

Then don't post if you're not willing to discuss what you've posted. This is a debate forum.

K7: I can't have faith in something for which there is no evidence or reason. Otherwise, I might as well have faith in Allah, Gaia, Zeus, faeries, gremlins, and elves.

MM: That is ultimately your choice. I am thankful that I can.

It's not a choice. I can't make myself believe things for no reason and without evidence anymore than you can - except that in this case you have made the decision to believe something. I'm simply asking how you rationalize that against everything else? Why does this religion or god get away without the same scrutiny you give everything else?

Then, you made a very clear assertion of personal truth.

MM: "For those who do have faith, He has been revealed. I see God every day, all around me."

K7: "What does it look like?"

I'm not sure why you feel this is problematic.

 

Just another limitation of god though - if god can't make himself heard by humans, it's a limit, rendering him less than all-powerful, and I'll add on pretty lame.

 

You see it as a limit, because you choose to do so.

His righteousness is too much for the normal human to handle. Do you expect an all powerful God to just float down, look like Tom Cruise and have the voice of Josh Turner, just to appease you spiteful non-believers?

Read the Bible, and you'll figure out why certain things are not done, and why other things are done.

It would serve people like you right, to actually study something as vast and powerful as religion if you wish to do nothing but attack it and make fun of those who do believe.

 

It isn't a choice. I know, because I tried to make it a choice and I couldn't. I'm not saying it isn't a choice for you--maybe you have the ability to simply will yourself to believe something--only that it isn't a choice for us. We can't will ourself to believe in God any more than we can will ourselves to believe in leprechauns. And, yes, I tried desperately to do so once upon a time.

 

I see it as a limit because IT IS a limit. You can't bull(*)(*)(*)(*) your way around that one, sorry.

I've read the bible extensively, it reads the same as any other piece of fiction, except it actually contradicts itself more than others, except maybe other religious books.

I expect that if the eternal torture of my soul is in the equation, yeah, your god needs to do better than write a royally effed up book and expect me to know that he's the real god based on that, despite our current morals being far superior to his. However, if the punishment is simply disappearing, not getting to go to heaven, I'm fine with that - I could never worship a god as sick as yours.

 

But why the Bible? There are thousands of other religions, why would those not be just as legitimate as Christianity?

 

I am always ready and willing to discuss my faith with those who seek to understand, but I won't waste my time arguing with those who just want to attack. I've spent a lot of time on political forums, and I can easily distinguish the difference between the two. In this case, I choose to not waste my time.

 

Okay, I will concede your point. It was a choice for me, but I guess it was not for you.

 

In other words, you know I'm not going to be beguiled by empty words. I feel sorry for you, having the desire to make constant bold assertions and the inability to validate any of them.

Cheers.

 

U funy

it is your choice to make claims of false witness as no one ever asked what your beliefs are. Then when found a liar you concede but can't concede the fact of no outside thing many call a god to your own self.

Mountainman, perhaps a lesson on personal responsibility is what you've never had.

You can believe what ever you want but you have no right to false witness, by god!

Ie... I ain't forgiven the ill regard of imposing a "loss to the common" (bad, defined) until you ask them you've lied too for forgiveness.

You make your choices and no one is responsible for what you do except you. So either grow up or the mountains will fall on you, man!

 

Now that was a "zinger"..........

 

Slippery slope, and incorrect.

 

repubicans just voted to remove medicare as the governments responsibility and the costs are to be subsidized and private (a business)

and oBAMa is one of the few presidents that is trying to reduce military spending.

The pubics are covering the hole by digging on obama and i dont comprehend how people dont see it.

Business (invisible hand) is what is taking our tax dollars and idiots are allowing it .

There is an abuse of spending (miliary) at the expense of health care and education.

'we the people' are often the most ignorant. The BK king of the USA (using the TRUMP card), is an idiot and if a birth certificate is or has any relevance to what Obama is doing, then i consider such line of 'witness' as beyond stupid

again, people..........grow up!

Call your congressman/woman and tell them to cut the military spending or find another job, period!!!!!!!

if not, then fuel the divide as i am just waiting for the fireworks show and then, be certain.............. it will not be pretty and "pity" will be to put the fool out of their misery! (won't be enough food/shelter)

get real or "be wary wary quiet, (cuz) we be hunting big its, huh huh huh huh"


some may think this is just a rant but it aint............

 

...........wut?

 

Then you believe being gay is not natural? Nobody has proved a gay gene [no evidence] yet you and others believe in that. Unless of course you hold the same truths and are not hypocritical and do not believe being gay is natural.

 

Red herring AND an appeal to ignorance rolled in one, fantastic.

Should you choose to reply to what was said, my reply was, "I can't have faith in something for which there is no evidence or reason. Otherwise, I might as well have faith in Allah, Gaia, Zeus, faeries, gremlins, and elves."

 

So basically, you, and others like you, wish God to "reveal" him/her/itself every few hundred years to vindicate your lack of faith?

Say, for the sake of argument, God did reveal himself, as it says in the Bible. Would you still disbelieve? Afterall, the Bible is supposed to be a written accord of past events, as well as prophecies, written through man by God.

So, if God were to come down tomorrow and reveal himself...would he have to do it again in another few hundred years for the next group of faithless?

How often would God have to come down to Earth?


What people are asking for is unreasonable. God wants his children to have faith, as it is faith which is the hardest to hold on to.

To another poster, I speak on Christianity because I am most familiar with it.

I'm not BSing my way around anything. Your opinion is based on YOUR interpretation. Are you against people interpreting things differently than you?

That comment reaks of sheer ignorance on the contents of the Old and New Testament. The Old Testament was written anywhere from a couple hundred to over a thousand years before the New Testament, and Christ had fulfilled many prophecies in the Old Testament.

God didn't write the book, man did. It was God's words given to man to write down. Man is fallible.

How so?

Why do you keep saying "yours". I am not Christian, nor am I religious (as I've stated in a previous post).

Do you like to demean those who have faith so much, that you just clump me in your attack because I oppose your view?

 

Oh you're a fun one. If someone cannot do something it is a limit.
1
a : something that bounds, restrains, or confines
b : the utmost extent
2
a : a geographic or political boundary
b plural : the place enclosed within a boundary : bounds
3 : limitation
4 : a determining feature or differentia in logic
5 : a prescribed maximum or minimum amount, quantity, or number: as a : the maximum quantity of game or fish that may be taken legally in a specified period b : a maximum established for a gambling bet, raise, or payoff.

Missing the point, red herring, irrelevant. I repeat, the bible is full of contradictions.

So funny. The bible ranges from totally literal to totally metaphorical depending on which christian, pastor, theologian you talk to.

I'm glad you asked. http://www.politicalforum.com/religion/181901-so-called-morals-god-bible.html

I guess I missed that post, and I retract my assertion of allegiance.

I'll ignore personal debates.

 

Au contraire JMpet. It doesn't matter what you are comfortable witj.

COnstantine is really the father of the Catholic Church and the maqn who organised for the Bible to be written to show a nice, seemingly logical story.

In fact a lot of that Bible was gatherd from the many small sects that proliferate4d around that time and, clevery;, he instructed his priests to weave a crucial ceremony or so into the newly built Bible. Such as the sacrament. That was practiced by a small group only until this Bible was written.

And don't forget it was rewritten many times after that so how much or the original story still exists is highly suspect.

line of 10 mean trying to pass a small sentence to each other down the line in whispers will inevitably get it wrong. Known as Chinese Whispers.

And you don't believe someone who claims to have seen God? You Christians are really chock full of self doubt aren't you, and jealousy. It MUST be you who sees God, not some guy named Smith.

Here's something for you to ponder.

WHat happened to Jesus when he was wandering in the desert, alone?