Why Don't We Have Shooters In Congress, The Pentagon And The White House?

You know in 2016 the regular season attendance to Major League Baseball games was 73+ million. Every baseball stadium is fortified for safe and security. And this holds true as well with all other sports venues. How is it we can achieve this for a silly baseball game but cannot conceive of doing this for our school kids?

 

It's always an issue of cost. And practicality. Living in an armed camp is not living.

 

Well...I think for those who live in some fear at schools, those who have actually been injured in crime events, and certainly for the families and friends of those who have been killed, they would say a killing is a killing. Although as you say the threats, etc. are different, they still remain threats and both can lead to loss of life. It sort of boils down to politics...for example 35,000 people die each year in traffic accidents most all caused by excessive speed...but we won't lower the speed limits...in this case we know in advance that within the next 12 months about 35,000 people will lose their lives and this is okay. Regarding killing school students, we know more will be killed and we know the numbers will be relatively low. Look what we've done with airport security since 9/11 although it wasn't that many people who died...it's the idea of a plane exploding in the sky and killing all 400 aboard...it's okay to kill 100/day in traffic accidents but not in airplanes?? When a parent sends their kid off to school each day, if we as a society know we will have school shootings, then shouldn't we as a society minimize these incidents?

 

It's truly stupid to believe gun violence is a left or right issue...

 

If people cannot live and function in areas of the US due to crime and gangs and ghettoes, etc. how can we expect our kids to enjoy their education experience?

 

If only I had argued as such.

 

As I said, I'm not objecting to doing more around school security, I was only saying that the direct comparison with government officials, along the "They have armed guards so why don't our children?!" is flawed. School security should be addressed entirely on it's own unique factors and circumstances.

 

Respect is bestowed. I have none for large font.

 

You gonna leave every school open to shooters? Don't you care about kids? If we could save just one kid, shouldn't we do it?

Man it's fun using liberal arguments against liberal arguments.

 

No we shouldn't.

 

That's helpful

 

If those 3 places are protected by guns, why cant we do the same for schools and children.

 

Apparently liberals hate guns, but don't care so much for kids.

 

Fine. protect three schools of your choice with guns.

 

Why do you think that is? Are you suggesting that people are more violent now than in the past when a fist fight behind quickmart was a more accepted way to resolve a dispute? Couldn’t it be possible that stopping children from experiencing violence results in more violent adults?

And how are they going to learn how to cope with and counter those issues as adults if they aren’t allowed to explore them as children? Doesn’t our current level of public discourse look a lot more like a temper tantrum than a rational dialog?

And my point is that the world is not a safe space. Children need to be exposed to child sized levels of danger in order to grow into an adult that can deal with adult sized danger.

 

Children learn how to be adults by role playing adult behavior in a model environment. If the model world you create for them is devoid of violence, they can not integrate behaviors to cope with the violence that does exist in the real world.

This does not result in passive kids. On the contrary, it can produce aggressive kids who have no concept of the consequence of violent behavior.

 

Public Schools should be paid for and controlled by...the public. It should be up to the local communities if they want to have cops, or paid guards, or armed school teachers or just hope and locked doors. Rural schools in good areas could even let students in high school bring their own guns to class, as was allowed before the 1980's in many schools.

It's important to get the wild & crazy and violent students out of standard classrooms and into alternative programs early. Nutcases like Cruz and Lanza were misfits, and their anger built over the years from being in an environment they were not suited for. It's just too bad these kids can't be sent to work in the fields and farms where their energies would be far better spent.

 

Once again, 30 baseball stadiums does not compare to 130,00 schools, especially when you consider the fact that many of these schools as is do not bring in enough revenue to meet their curriculum standards. It's not like every school brings in revenue that can be comparable to a stadium.

 

Well...you said "The left opposes this because it knows the very best chance it hse to implement the gun control laws it seeks is to have the occasional pile of bodies to stand on as it preaches the evils of the NRA and firearms."

Gun violence IS NOT a left or right issue...it's everyone's issue...

 

Except it is taxpayer dollars funding the security of the politicians, yet these same politicians won't fund the security of our schools. Taxpayer dollars are a single pool of public funding and the politicians decide how to spend it. In this case there is a double-standard when it comes to providing security at schools compared to security for the politicians. IMO it is quite reasonable to lump the two institutions into the same category when discussing safety and security...

 

And in my response, I speak of the left and its refusal to look at the gun violence issue as anything other than a means to enact policy.
This is a characterization of the left, not the gun violence issue.

 

School shootings are extremely traumatic...they are not child-sized levels of danger! I live approximately 3000 miles from the Florida shooting yet in our local middle-school there are kids who are worried, who are having nightmares, who are distracted from learning. IF...IF as a nation we wish to provide public education and to educate our citizenry beyond monkeys, we must provide a safe and secure environment in order to do so. We can't do anything about the crazies who wish to shoot up a school and kill kids but we can do better to secure the schools...and other public areas.

Our society today is definitely different than 50-60 years ago...I'm not suggesting...it is a fact.

Saying 'temper-tantrum' is trying to degrade this issue. School kids are being killed and injured!

 

Which school security measures have been blocked by lack of funding? Isn't public school funding a state-level matter in the US anyway?

 

Mental illness is not simple. It's easy in hindsight to say things about the Florida shooter, and others, but prior to these acts these people are not much different than most people's antics today. I believe more often than not when interviewing family and friends of shooters they are surprised and shocked that the kid could have done something so horrific. And how many parents and friends are skilled at identifying mental illness indicators?

 

Yeah...you're right...why even try to do better? If society cannot stop people from becoming murderers then society must put forth some form of protections for the public. Especially in schools when we KNOW that some kids are going to do these things...