Why Don't We Have Shooters In Congress, The Pentagon And The White House?

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  1. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    With (understandably) emotionally compromised irrationality. Which is why they should not be 'leading the charge' on this (in addition to them being teenagers, of course).

    Was that a question or a statement? The sentiment that we should be protecting every school in america with similar security as our heads of state suggests 'supermax security.'

    Strawman. I didn't say that. Some security is necessary. More than we have now is probably necessary (I support allowing teachers to be armed at least to some degree- pistols in biometric lockboxes for example). But metal detectors, military patrols, security checkpoints and badges, hardened sectors, choke points and razor wire, all often found protecting our elected officials, would not be conducive to healthy child developement.

    How many trillions more should be funnelled into security while classrooms have more students than books and kids have to work to support their tax-burdened family instead of finishing their homework?

    Adressed above.

    Do you think 100% security is possible? Keep in mind, drugs, blades, phones and even guns are still commonly smuggled even into supermax prisons and 'secure' government installations.

    Strawman. I never said that. Its merely an innevitability that we all have to learn to live with. Do you know what 'institutionalized' means? When convicts have been in prison too long, they often can't handle the pressures of freedom. And they're adults. Imagine how hard it would be for children to transition from a totally secure facility and the necessarily rigid structure of such security to 'the real world' where their only protection, security and accountability is themselves.

    Because insurance companies lobby govt to make laws that lower their overall damage payouts.

    Wait, did you really think it was because the govt cares about you?
     
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  2. OldManOnFire

    OldManOnFire Well-Known Member

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    Those kids who you believe are irrational are leading the issue because their government, and society, has failed to provide them a safe education environment. For you to deny them of this, or to berate their efforts, shows where you stand on this issue...
     
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    OldManOnFire Well-Known Member

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    Blaming politics is an excuse for doing nothing.

    Yes, some of the arena of government is politics, in which IMO the word 'politics' is used instead of 'spoiled babies'.

    But when government is spending $4+ TRILLION per year, when government is racking up $1 TRILLION deficits, when government makes decisions to send Americans into harm's way in wars and military action, and when we're talking about protecting the American public, the solution IS NOT politics...
     
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    You refuse to accept reality; your presence in the conservation has little merit.
     
  5. OldManOnFire

    OldManOnFire Well-Known Member

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    Well...yes I refuse to waste my time talking politics. POLITICS has never solved a single problem!

    And...not sure why you are talking 'conservation' when we're having a 'conversation'.

    Lastly, not interested at all what YOU believe has or does not have merit...
     
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    And yet, that's exactly what you are doing here.
     
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    OldManOnFire Well-Known Member

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    Once again...when government is spending $4+ TRILLION per year, when government is racking up $1 TRILLION deficits, when government makes decisions to send Americans into harm's way in wars and military action, and when we're talking about protecting the American public, the solution IS NOT politics...
     
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    If it involves government action, it involves politics.
     
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    In the US all government action is political.
     
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    People do not want to face the fact that there is now enough human evil operating again and again that schools need to be protected by a perimeter and one entry-exit point like a military base camp. That's the high percentage action to take.
     
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    Though, if someone wants to bad enough, they can still do the deed.
     
  12. OldManOnFire

    OldManOnFire Well-Known Member

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    Only from those of you who don't understand that biased politics is not necessary to solve complex societal issues...
     
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    OldManOnFire Well-Known Member

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    I don't know what the answers might be but I do know what we have today is unacceptable...
     
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    Explain how a government-related solution can avoid politics.
     
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    I don't know...how about planning the declaration of war on China and how it will be carried out...
     
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    And yet you insist it can be done.
    You'll have to try harder. Thanks.
     
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    OldManOnFire Well-Known Member

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    It's not my job...it's the job of the representatives and president to protect Americans. If we have a problem in our schools then it needs to be solved...
     
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    This necessarily involves politics.
     
  19. OldManOnFire

    OldManOnFire Well-Known Member

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    Politics are for idiots...the rest of us will focus on root issues and options to resolve...
     
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    Doesn't change the fact that if you want representatives and president to protect Americans, you involve politics.
     

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