Why Don't We Have Shooters In Congress, The Pentagon And The White House?

Once again all you can do is politicize an issue that should not be politicized?

 

Ain't enough profit in it. The power structure will do nothing any differently until the masses stop going to work and school to amass in the streets.

 

You make funding an excuse? We're not talking about the past? We're talking about what can/should be done in the future. The US is $22 TRILLION in debt so obviously the US has no problem spending money. This issue is not about funding...it is about what must be done in light of this environment we have today in the USA...

 

So your wisdom is also saying kids should be exposed to sexual relations since sex is critical to learn as an adult? This world will never be devoid of violence. But we when know for sure that we have a problem in our schools, seems to me we should do something. We also have a problem in our society with ghettoes and gangs and crime and we should do something. These are not obscure issues...they are mainstream issues...

 

I’m not, nor have I ever suggested that they were. What I am suggesting is that the absence of child sized levels of violence leads to increases in violence during adulthood. What I’m suggesting is that instead of a teacher leaping in to mediate a dispute over a toy, for example, let children learn ways to mediate disputes like that on their own. Violence will definitely play a role, but social interaction between children is far more complex than adults give them credit for. It’s much better for children to learn how violence works, and doesn’t work in a role play society, than it is for them to learn it as adults in actual society.

It’s entirely possible to provide a safe environment for children, and at the same time expose them to violence and its consequences.

I don’t dispute that fact. We’re here to discuss the reasons why that is the case. There are lots of social policies that have changed in that time frame, and it’s ignorant to suggest that those changes had nothing to do with the current environment. Why do you think it’s different?

I can say for a fact that there are far more single parent house holds now than then. There are far more children raised in day care centers now than then. There are far more adults having children later in life and adopting a helicopter parenting style. There are far more children having their behaviors managed with mind altering medications. There are far more children pushed through factory style education systems designed to shunt them into debt producing higher education and away from trade based apprenticeships. Could any of these changes have something to do with the difference in behavior of children? Of course it can.

A temper tantrum is an emotional outburst that is intended to bully a target into providing an empathetic response. This gun debate is in large part argued by people with little knowledge of current gun regulations, little knowledge of crime statistics, little knowledge of gun technology, little knowledge of mental health realities. It is almost entirely founded in an emotional response to the existence of dead children.

You may feel it’s degrading, but it’s accurate.

 

Children are exposed to sexual relations. Our class rooms are coed and so they must navigate the differences between boys and girls in order to be a member of their peer group. I’m not suggesting a mad max cage of death and hooker poles in every nursery school. I’m suggesting allowing appropriate social interactions to take place between children naturally. Don’t jump in and force kids to share a toy they are fighting over. Let them work it out. Don’t jump in and expel two kids caught fighting in a school yard simply because they are fighting, because one of those kids may have been fighting for something just and good.

The desire to do something should be tempered by the possibility of making the problem worse.

 

Less central government. If schools weren't so entwined with the federal government, I'll wager we'd have far less problems in schools... at least in non union states. And see fangbeer's first post to the thread. And see sig.

 

Pointing out the politicization of an issue is not politicizing.

 

We should just make the Capitol a gun free zone. Look how much money we would save. It might encourage Congress to pass realistic laws so no one hates them.

 

So you want schools locked down as much as a federal building?

Gone are the days of sane, civil society when we must school our children in fortresses.

 

From what I've gathered, most of the people who were around the school killers a good while were NOT surprised by their actions. Cruz for sure. How many mental health "experts" have failed to keep dangerous people off the streets and schools?

 

Moreover, what will the left say when the state just starts grabbing people and hauling them off because they might be a danger.

 

The first school guards didn't come about until after the Gov began it's takeover of Public Ed with the Brown ruling in the 1950's.

 

the Left would say "amen" as long as they were conservatives.

 

I wonder of those doing the hauling will first ask for papers.

 

I'm not excusing anything, I'm just trying to cut through the rhetoric to some actual facts. You said politicians are unwilling to spend money on school security but not demonstrated when, where or how they'd done that. Presumably schools or school districts can implement a whole range of security measures, requesting additional funding from local, state or national government if they require it. People talk about all sorts of different things individual schools have already done; metal detectors, security guards, on-site police officers etc. which suggests there's no general block on spending.

The availability of money isn't the only thing required for things to be done. The actual local decision makers have to want to do those things in the first place. Attacking "politicians" just because something you think should happen doesn't is far too simplistic and not at all constructive.

 

So Congress, federal courthouses and the White House are all police states?

 

Not really, all you have to do is think about it, which, of course, is why the Liberals should be left out of this.

I'm fairly sure that every community has ex-military and police that would be willing to volunteer their time to patrol school grounds and guard doors. Just assign one police officer to run the program. I keep hearing about how our kids and older, experienced people are two of of our most precious things. Put them together.

 

What makes you think ex military and police would be effective protecting schools? A police officer on duty at Columbine exchanged fire with Eric Harris and had no known effect on the massacre. The armed guy in Florida was likewise utterly ineffective.

We're told over and over how military personnel are not cops (and make poor ones for that matter).

It is ridiculous to think that just being able to handle a gun would offer effective "protection" at a school.

 

Ok... absent the capacity to have some active defense within the school, how do you stop a school shooter?

 

Typical Liberal hand wringer; it can't stop everything, so let's go back to the land of pastel rainbows, cotton candy, and unicorns where I can suck my thumb in my safe space.

I don't recall a police officer shooting at Columbine. Post a link. The Liberal coward at Parkland hardly counts as a valid effort.

Volunteers would be screened and undergo training by the local police department. Being ex-military myself, I can see it working. If you start with stable people with years of experience with firearms, the learning curve is very shallow.

If you bothered to know what you were talking about, you would know that the mere display of a firearm has stopped many crimes. The idea of a gun-free zone assures nut jobs that they will be unopposed. Make it known that there are several experienced gun-toting people guarding the doors of the local schools, and you have an instant change of mind.

 

Who says they can be stopped? Not every problem has a solution.

 

You're calling me a "liberal"???!!!!

I'm arguably one of the most conservative persons not only here but on the internet as a whole.

 

My mistake. Yours too for sounding like one.

 

armed officer at Columbine firing at Eric Harris

http://extras.denverpost.com/news/col1123b.htm