Why is the media still lying about Ivermectin?

Yes, advances in mRNA vaccines allowed the creation of a vaccine for COVID-19 within a few short weeks of getting the genome of this strain of SARS. But, they did have to have that genome.

And, unlike ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, and the rest, these vaccines went through clinical testing to ensure they are effective deterrents against the virus strains causing COVID-19.

This isn't puppetry. This is actual science based medicine.

 

I don't give a **** about certifications. Mexico and India proved they work. It IS NOT dangerous. There is no reason to give such a cheap and safe drug a shot, but you Leftists don't want cheap and safe.

You will let people suffer in hospitals with no therapeutics.

 

As am I.

Ok. So you would have the same emotional reaction if Phizer was using ivermectin instead of Ritonavir? (To be clear I’m not claiming Ivermectin is an effective companion to PF-07321332)

You mean slow the metabolism of other protease inhibitors I hope. I’m open to evidence it slows overall metabolism but am unaware of any evidence thus far. I do know it isn’t used much anymore in doses having a great anti viral activity because of the bad side effects. It’s now mostly in very low doses that can more or less be tolerated in conjunction with other protease inhibitors.

LOL. Easy tiger. Everything I stated was a fact. Don’t react emotionally to facts—not a good look. Did dubious doctors misuse off label ritonavir at the same time they were “misusing” hydroxychloroquine? LOL. Your selective outrage gives the game away. The off label use of one upsets you while you were completely unaware of the off label use of the other at the same point in time. You dislike what you are programmed to dislike. Your reaction to my tongue in cheek parody of Phizer’s new drug demonstrates this to be the case.

 

LOL. You think I’m talking about a vaccine? Hmmmmm…..

Thanks for the laughs.

 

Sure. Brazil claims that, too. However, it's almost totally because they have not been able to achieve any reasonable supply of vaccines or therapeutics for COVID.

And, Mexico and India did not do the kind of clinical testing that US medicine requires.

Thus your accusation is just plain stupid.

Homeopathy is dangerous as it can cause people to choose false solutions and thus suffer the consequences that come to those who reject proven solutions.

 

I didn't say you were.

I pointed out how western medicine works. Western medicine established testing and certification protocols for serious reasons.

Promoting the idea that people should reject western medicine is an outrageously bad idea. Assaulting western medicine can and does kill people.

 

As far as the alleged vaccines those procedures were abbreviated and why they are still considered experimental under EUA.

 

So why are you addressing me? Why did you go off about vaccines when my post had nothing to do with vaccines? Have I said anything negative about “western medicine” whatever that is? Can you point to anything in my posts that is not factual?

If “western medicine” is based on empirical evidence then I’m the only one here adhering to western medicine because my posts can be backed up with empirical evidence. The posts I’m responding to (as usual) are not.

If you agree my posts here are factual then we agree. If you see an error, I wholeheartedly invite you to present empirical evidence to correct it.

 

They don't want it diagnosed to people's to treat covid because if it works the FDA can no longer have emergency approval of the vaccine

 

You're making up an issue that doesn't exist.

Who gives a crap about certification people are dying.

Prescribing ivermectin to treat covid is not going to harm them so there's no real reason not to do it the worst thing that could happen is nothing.

 

that's what you're trying to avoid with this not certified for covid nonsense.

Again there have already been clinical trials the drug is safe.

I don't know why you don't understand that.

If the drug is prescribed and it treats covered great if it's prescribed and it doesn't who cares what's going to happen you just move to the next thing.

You are anti science.

 

I don't actually have any reaction. They both need to follow the clinically established rules.

I am not confident in any anti-viral having the desired effect in stopping this virus. Yet. That's the good thing and the sad thing. It needs stringent testing and time is not on our side.

I didn't react emotionally. Stop projecting an even worse look. Your definition of facts needs updating.

I have no interest in the matter as such. Doctors who misuse any drug are equally as bad no matter what it is.

That has to be one of the most overused and ridiculous acronyms. I would wager large amounts that you didn't laugh out loud and if you did that is just weird.

I don't have any selective outrage and there is no game to be given away. Projecting again.

Being unaware of the latter to any degree neither makes me more or less outraged. Both are as bad as each other.

I actually dislike your stupid post. I have no programmed like or dislike to anything you refer to.

No it doesn't. My reaction was to you suggesting I was a puppet - a comment sourced from your backside.

 

Yep! Big Pharm and the Authoritarians would both lose what they covet most.... $, Power, and Control.

These Leftists that support mandates while ignoring therapeutics are evil.

 

Yes. There was an emergency exception made following completion of the first three phases of testing - taking somewhat more than 6 months of clinical testing to FDA and CDC specification.

That emergency certification lasted up into this last August, when phase 4, the final phase, was completed. The Pfizer vaccine is now fully certified.

I'm not as sure of the precise status of the other several vaccines.

 

https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(21)00100-4/pdf

Results of the Mexico City Study:

The percentage of hospitalized participants was significantly
lower among those who took TNR4 therapy than in the comparison
group. This was observed in all sub-groups (p values 0.010, in all
groups). The percentage of participants who died was also
significantly lower among the TNR4 treatment than in the
comparison group for all subgroups: patients with comorbidities,
older participants, males, and health workers (p 0.027 in all
groups).

That's a study published by the International Journal of Infectious Diseases.

Ivermectin worked and worked in a big way.

Success in India



Leftists lose power and control if a cheap, effective, and widely available therapeutic like Ivermectin is allowed to stomp out bad effects of the virus and save millions. Power and control seems to be far more important to these people than saving lives.

 

The people who do the certifying are under the control of the elite so they won't certify it. The only thing that matters is that it works.
http://politicalforum.com/index.php...bout-ivermectin.591850/page-9#post-1072964296
http://politicalforum.com/index.php...bout-ivermectin.591850/page-9#post-1072965149

 

You posted to me:
"Ok. So you would have the same emotional reaction if Phizer was using ivermectin instead of Ritonavir? (To be clear I’m not claiming Ivermectin is an effective companion to PF-07321332)"

I have not had an "emotional reaction", and my response has been to support western medical science procedures such as those of America an other countries.

Actually, simply claiming "empirical evidence" is not good enough. The FDA, WHO and others base decisions on certification of medicine on clinical trials. Empirical evidence is not sufficient.

 

You have been fooled. The Pfizer vaccine everyone is getting is not certified and still under EUA. The certified version is not available. If it were made available then EUA would be lifted on all treatments since a certified treatment was available.

Animal testing takes 1 to 1 1/2 years to complete so was skipped. No 1st or 2nd phase human clinical trials have ever been completed in 6 months before so they were abbreviated and 3rd phase was never completed.

 

Yes, medicine is designed for reasons that are serious.

Thus when justified we see the FDA give "emergency use" certification as well as certification for use in clinical trials.

ALL noncertified medicine (including all homeopathy) has the down side that it can slow people from using approved medicine - thus resulting in serious ramifications including death.

 

I think it's a combination of money and incompetence.

 

Oh, please. How many times do we have to go over this???

There are formulations of ivermectin that have been certified to be SAFE for humans according to certain prescription limits.

But, ivermectin has never been certified for use in preventing or treating COVID.

The problem of uncertified medical solutions is not just limited to human tolerance of the drug. It includes that those depending on uncertified medicine are usually delaying treatment by drugs or procedures that ARE certified to be effective.

This is the same problem with homeopathy. It's not that the water they sell is going to kill you. It's that you THINK that water is going to save you, thus you don't get treated.

 

your entire argument in fact your position on this is idiotic.

We shouldn't try and help people because some stupid bureaucracy hasn't got off at sorry ass to approve something that may help and we know this is because of this medicine is showing the help it'll mean emergency approval for their vaccine.

medicine is a science not a bureaucracy. Doctors and medical Care professionals should be deciding what drugs you get not some jackass in Washington.

Appealing to this nonsense like you do repeatedly as though it's an argument is a fallacy.

This is a sign of your ignorance. And it's profound.

So when you're trying to treat someone for a novel virus that could possibly kill them you don't just give them one medicine at a time and see what happens. You can prescribe my vermicton and other things at the same time I've been acting is safe it has already had clinical trials and it has been proven to be.

 

These are not clinical studies of the quality that the FDA absolutely demands.

Those tests would NOT have caused the Pfizer vaccines to be certified, either.

Your conspiracy theory is ridiculous. There isn't anything that the FDA, CDC, WHO, NIAID, or any other organization has that could POSSIBLY drive your silly conspiracy theory.

 

This is more conspiracy theory that is just plain ridiculous.

You don't have ANY of the components that are required for such a conspiracy

 

I'm willing to stay with it until you realize how stupid your argument is.

so unless you're using some of their formulation there's no problem.

so it's been proven safe for humans since 81.

If you prescribe it then it does nothing then what's the problem.

Tolerances and dosage was determined in 1981 that fact will never change every time you mention it I will point that out.

What treatment for covid is delayed by ivermectin do you have any clue or you just grasping at straws desperately?

Again what treatments for covid-19 are delayed by ivermectin list them in the adverse effects caused by the synergy with ivermectin.

Keep in mind this drug was approved in 1981 for human use.