Why is the media still lying about Ivermectin?

I'm here to discuss how science based medicine works in the USA.

AND, no matter who it is I really don't care how an individual was treated. We have millions of cases. One case is essentially irrelevant, as you can tell by dividing it by even just ONE million.

 

But you have no actual experience with CV19 and simply accept what you read?

 

NO, that is NOT "strict control" AT ALL!!

In fact, that exhibits NO controls.

Clearly, you have NO idea what "controls" means in the context of testing.

 

I'm the world there are leaders and followers. If these people had the slightest skepticism of something this conversation wouldn't need to exist.

 

You don't seem to accept the meaning of the word control.

 

Do you yet understand that Doctors have treated using Ivermectin and declare their patients did recover fast?
I believe you rely on what you read. Did you read what the Doctors said?

 

I'm betting it's political tribalism. It's people they branded as "dirty Trumpers" that mention ivermectin as anything other than horse dewormer, because of these people being identified by their tribe as heretics (correctly or not) everything they say is Haram.

It's very Savage puritanical thinking. What's funny is they call anybody not among the faithful a cult member.

 

No, "depleted" in that name absolutely does NOT mean it is safe.

What it means is in regard to chemical composition.

Whether that composition is safe depends on ALL SORTS of issues.

 

What doctors say is NOT a controlled test that the FDA would use as justification for certifying use of a medicine.

I'm just telling you how western medicine works - that is, medicine as implemented throughout the USA and other first world countries.

Homeopathy works in an entirely different way.

 

I'm not trying to argue with you I'm really genuinely curious do you know where I can find this testimonial from doctors?

 

Dude. Any clinical trial IS EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE.

 

The problem you face here is that there is NOTHING about the FDA's decision making on ivermectin that is different than it's decision making on other medicine over the last decades.

Before you play your silly blame game, you have to come up with some sort of difference to blame someone for.

You can not do that, because the FDA has not altered their procedure.

 

Yes. “Evidence” is what an authority tells them. It’s exasperating but not unexpected with the state of our “educational” system.

 

There are at a minimum I think about 16 studies have been done all over the world..

 

Doctors are not performing controlled clinical trials that meet FDA requirements for deciding on certification.

And as I pointed out, being "empirical" is NOT a measurement. It just means that it isn't purely theoretical or based solely on logic.

So, saying "empirical evidence" is NOT a comment on the quality or validity of the procedure that produced that evidence.

A doctor could report ONE individual and that would be "empirical evidence".


This is science 101. It pertains to ALL the experimental sciences, not just medicine.

 

I don't have to. There are doctor after doctor who are the on the front lines treating patients that swear by Ivermectin. Just because you are under the Government, MSM, Big Tech thumb, doesn't mean others have to join you in being uninformed about the massive successes of Ivermectin.

 

My experience (and yours) is absolutely 100% irrelevant to what I have been saying on this thread.

My comments have all been about process used by the FDA, CDC, WHO and others.

 

OK, so you want to abolish the FDA.

I am MONUMENTALLY OPPOSED to tearing up and throwing away the process of science based medicine that has been so spectacular throughout the world over the last decades.

And, that is ESPECIALLY true given that you have NO REPLACEMENT AT ALL.

 

right it's a field test you don't have time to do 15 years of laboratory studies there are people dying right now.

That is when doctors use their knowledge to treat somebody that's why we require them to go through so much school.

no you're not you're desperately trying to cling on to the idea that ivermectin can't possibly be used to treat people suffering with covid because some idiot on a comedy news show has told you that.

I don't know why you struggle with this the FDA approved ivermectin is a drug safe for humans. It in no way at all in any capacity compares to homeopathic medicine.

You are making yet another straw man.

 

I'm aware of that.

They have not been of the quality that is always required by the FDA.

WHO and the FDA do seem to believe that those tests justify carrying out a quality clinical study that could lead to certification of ivermectin with COVID for some purpose (treatment? prevention?) inn

There IS an ongoing study of ivermectin that does meet standards.

 

The problem you are having is your appealing to the authority of a bureaucracy in order to deny science.

Ivermectin has already been FDA approved and has been for 40 years.

Any of your blather about the FDA not approving it is just that it's dismissed it's nothing.

I'm sorry I have to be this blunt but you just seem incapable of understanding that.

As far as it being approved as a treatment for a covid infection, it probably won't be anytime soon clinical trials sometimes take decades.

We can't wait that long there are people dying from covid right now this is when the medical profession takes over and does experimentation. And in this case the experimentation is extremely low risk because of the FDA already approved ivermectin for human use.

the only people I blame are the people that implant thoughts in your head, and you for being such a tribalist you have to deny science.

I'm starting to wonder if it's just you being pigheaded or if it's a compulsion

I'm not sure the FDA has a procedure for treating covid. And if you have to wait on them while millions of people die what value are they?

 

It's true that homeopathy doesn't have testing standards for safety.

But, it also doesn't have any standards for efficacy. And, there is no testing of ivermectin that is accepted by the FDA showing efficacy, either.

So, in that way they ARE alike.

 

There's also a bit of tribalism at play here. Anybody that disagrees with these people is a fascist a conspiracy theorist and idiot or a Nazi.

These are four words for heretic.

 

So, now you are attacking the medical testing standards that the FDA, CDC, WHO, NIAID, and others all demand.

If you want to do that, you better cite your complaint.

 

Empty ad hom noted.