Why it doesn't matter if Obama was born in Kenya

It says natural born or a citizen "...at the time of the signing..." That does not exclude Citizens of future generations which is why they have Residency of 14 years and not Citizenship of 14 years. Hamilton wanted to put in an expiration date for the Citizen part but it was never included specifically to avoid people claiming one had to be a natural born citizen.

At the time some argued people like G. Wshington was a natural born citizen since he was born on this soil but others claimed that could not be since the DOI was not signed unil 1776. There was a debate on who qualified based on birthplace so Clause 5 included those born here and those who were not.

One thing people overlook is the 14 year residency period. If the framers had intended this hardcore Nationalism being applied today they would have certainly required far more than 14 years of Residency in the US.

 

Okay. Thank you for proving basically no historical knowledge. The first formal Citizens existed in 1776. Do you know how many women and non-whites were Citizens during ratification in 1789?

Go back to the large font stuff....at least that is funny.

 

So my statement is correct then, if the Original Citizens, who twice swore an oath to the new nation, began to take that oath in 1776 which predates the 1787 date I used.

The Constitution that contains the phrase we were debating was written, when?

 

The first natural born citizens in 1776 didn't take an oath. Like I said, go back to the big font...lol!

 

Where did I say a natural born citizen in 1776 took an oath?

 

the big font is proving you wrong. I hate agreeing with NB here, but he's right.

 

your experation date makes no sense. it's called an EXCEPTION. since there were NO NBC's at the time of the signing(how could there be, it wasn't a country yet)and the 14 year stipulation for POTUS is law, an exception had to be made. If you want an experation date, it would be when the last person who became a citizen at the time of signing died.

only NBC's can be POTUS. not just ANY citizen. naturalized citizens aren't eligible. it's a stupid and outdated guideline, but it's currently the law.

 

Citizen Article I Section 2 & 3
Naturalized citizen Article I Section 8
Natural born citizen Article II Section 1
Exception (original) citizen Article II Section 1

 

you must have a different(special)copy. because there are only 2 types of citizen defined anywhere in US law.

 

No one is alive today from "Original".. Links please.

 

Of course not! DUH?

The other three are valid today, a new classification has been used recently and that is the "anchor-baby". (Of course this is being challenged now.)

 

there are only 2 types of citizen defined in US law. citizen at birth and naturalized. that's it. that's all there is. Your "anchor babies" nonsense falls into the first category. citizen at birth.

 

Trump is an anchor baby.. and a challenge doesn't mean the law has been changed.

Obama is NOT an anchor baby... so no such challenge exists nor is he a "Naturalized" citizen..

And Since he wasn't born in the 1700s , where does that leave the birther idiocy?

 

There is no exception that expired. There were quite a few NBC at the time of ratification. NBCs predated the Constitution so don't make the mistake of thinking there were no Citizens prior to 1789 when it was ratified. Hamilton tried to put in a specific expiration time but that was rejected. Why? Because there was no expiration date.

 

IF he was born in one of the two Hawaiian hospital that deny he was born in their facility, then he is a born citizen.

IF he was born in Kenya which DOES claim to be his birth nation, then his mother would have been under-age to confer US citizenship on him according to US law at that time.

So at best he is a U.S.citizen, and is eligible for either of the Article I Section 2 & 3 class of Citizen.

 

There were no ADULT natural born citizens in 1787.

 

lol, nope. there are only 2 types of citizen defined anywhere in US law. citizen at birth and naturalized. obama was not naturalized, because he was born on US soil making him a natural born citizen. that's why he's potus.

 

You are inventing the "under age" claim.. There is NO SUCH criteria. His mother was a US citizen from her birth.. Her birthright doesn't "kick in " at a certain age.

She could have given birth to Obama in Kenya or anywhere else at age 15 and he would still be a natural born US citizen.